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Peter Martin
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Posted: 10 April 2026 at 9:38pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

A disturbing number of people can't even get a grip on whether to use me or I. This is not rocket science. It's your own native tongue!

Then you have the crowd who have an inkling they may not be able to choose correctly between the nominative and objective versions of the pronouns and think they can circumvent it entirely by using the reflexive pronoun 'myself' instead. Doesn't work like that!

That said, 'me' has generally been crowding out 'I' for a long time in many circumstances. Who, me? Yes you! Me too...

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Eric Jansen
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Posted: 10 April 2026 at 10:34pm | IP Logged | 2 post reply

In these days of endless texts, posts, and emails, I am always surprised by how many college graduates don't know proper grammar or how to spell common words correctly.
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Vinny Valenti
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Posted: 10 April 2026 at 10:46pm | IP Logged | 3 post reply

"A disturbing number of people can't even get a grip on whether to use me or I. This is not rocket science. It's your own native tongue!"

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And there's such an easy way to get it right every time. Just eliminate the other subject in the sentence and use that to judge whether "me" or "I" should be used. The same answer applies when the other subject is included. Definitely a pet peeve of mine when this simple rule is not followed.

"I went to the store" has the same usage as "My wife and I went to the store".

"My mother gave me a present" is the same usage as "My mother gave my wife and me a present".


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Brian Price
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Posted: 10 April 2026 at 10:53pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply

Thanks Vinny, I'd never seen that rule before.  Quite useful.
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Brian ONeill
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Posted: 10 April 2026 at 11:08pm | IP Logged | 5 post reply

A lot of social media 'story/anecdote' posts(especially on Reddit) will have someone describing the events of 'My [spouse/partner] and I's anniversary'. Or 'My spouse's and my...'
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Brian Miller
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Posted: 10 April 2026 at 11:37pm | IP Logged | 6 post reply

What Vinny mentions is how I was taught way back when.
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John Byrne

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Posted: 11 April 2026 at 12:58am | IP Logged | 7 post reply

Same.

‘Course, I was also taught to spell color with a U!

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Vinny Valenti
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Posted: 11 April 2026 at 1:27am | IP Logged | 8 post reply

While we're on that subject:

I first learned about the British spelling of words when I got a Commodore 64 (my first computer) for Christmas '83, along with an expansion cartridge called Simons' BASIC. It was named after a British programmer named David Simons. He added new commands for sprite and background handling, and one of them was COLOUR, which changed the background colo(u)r of the screen. I thought at first that he had made a mistake. I pronounced the word in my head as "coloor", and I still do whenever I see the "our" used, even though I know it's wrong*.

*Very close to that same topic, my brain still reads "Simonson" with a short I, even though I've known that that's incorrect for decades now. Honsestly, "Sih-mun-sun" sounds more nordic to me, so it just seemed natural.


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Brian Miller
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Posted: 11 April 2026 at 2:24am | IP Logged | 9 post reply

What Vinny mentions is how I was taught way back when.
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Peter Martin
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Posted: 11 April 2026 at 2:58am | IP Logged | 10 post reply

That was the common sense rule i think I taught myself once I learned that "Sue and me went to the shops" was wrong. As soon as you put it in the singular, you can naturally hear it's wrong. But then, once thou actually grokst what purpose personal pronouns actually serve and how they fit in a sentence, it is easier for thine understanding.

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Vinny Valenti
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Posted: 11 April 2026 at 4:44am | IP Logged | 11 post reply

I don't remember whether not I figured it out on my own. It's quite possible I did - or worst case, a teacher may have mentioned it just once and I had an "aha, of course" moment that I never forgot it.
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Brian Hughes
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Posted: 11 April 2026 at 7:59am | IP Logged | 12 post reply

It was sixth grade English  in 77/78 where Mrs. Miller taught us the I/me rule Vinny mentions. 

But then again Mrs. Miller was the no nonsense teacher that taught us the sentence diagrams that demonstrated things like how there was an understood "you" at the beginning of the often used "f#@k you" statement that so many people misunderstood making it actually "you f#@k you" which meant "f#@k yourself".

This was all started as one day in class, a student had told another "f#@k you".  The other student responded "No thanks, I have taste."  Mrs. Miller stopped the outburst and forced us all to diagram the sentence showing the second students error.

Mrs. Miller was one of the best parts of my younger education.
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