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Robin Taylor
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| Posted: 04 September 2026 at 5:33pm | IP Logged | 1
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To echo Scott, humans don't create probability matrices and the provide the most statistically likely result depending on inputs. Creatives are more likely to make the least likely result because that's the actual appeal.
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Evan S. Kurtz
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| Posted: 05 September 2026 at 5:30pm | IP Logged | 2
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Scott, I'm definitely not a generative AI enthusiast and, especially, I think we need to reject the use of AI for creative projects that require a human's skilled touch.
It doesn't change the fact that "gets trained off of the work of human artists" is how actual human artists learn their craft.
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John Byrne
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Some of this resistance to AI methinks goes too far. It’s a tool, and like any tool it can be misused. (Baseball bats as murder weapons, anyone?)Focus on the good.
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Dave Kopperman
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| Posted: 05 September 2026 at 8:29pm | IP Logged | 4
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It's honestly hard to focus on the good when the people responsible for developing it and (currently not) legislating oversight for it are largely malign actors and/or staggeringly incompetent.
As to any actual good, while I've seen a lot of PR about the potential of AI in medicine, science, etc. - ie, the things where there would be real, tangible benefits, notably none of that has come to pass. I suspect this is because AI (in its current form) doesn't really ideate. It's maxing out one core aspect of human evolutionary success: pattern recognition. Great for sorting data, terrible for analyzing it.
I'll be perfectly happy to switch my view on it, since the creep of AI into all corners of human endeavor seems inevitable and I'd rather not be walking around feeling glum about it all the time (there's really so many other things to feel glum about). But I need proof that it is a beneficial tool, and to get that proof it needs a big, irrefutable, and applicable win.
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Bob Harvey
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| Posted: 05 September 2026 at 9:30pm | IP Logged | 5
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If they can bring the environmental impact in-line with other entertaining-but-useless things (social media, video games, streaming), then you can safely debate the morality of IP theft. As it stands, any recreational use of AI is super gross.
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Evan S. Kurtz
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| Posted: 05 September 2026 at 11:04pm | IP Logged | 6
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Some of you might recall I posted about a family vacation to France this summer (from where these forums are inaccessible, weirdly enough). When we got to Paris we rented a car at the airport, which they refused to release to me because my driver’s license was less than a year old. They insisted I provide either my expired license or a photograph in order for us to get the car.
I had to spend about 45 minutes going through the photos on my phone on the off chance I had a picture of my old license. This following an 8 hour flight in which I had slept 45 minutes, and ahead of a looming 5 hour drive, was not what I’d call a “fun” situation.
If I’d had the soon-to-be-released Siri AI on my phone, I could’ve asked Siri to search my photos for a pic of my license, and we would’ve had a much faster - and less stressful - process to get the car. That is the kind of AI I want, and am extremely supportive of. But I’m not a fan of people using AI to avoid having to hire a human creative, or of using AI to do things in place of actions that stimulate our own thinking.
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Scott Gray
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| Posted: 06 September 2026 at 11:24am | IP Logged | 7
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John Byrne wrote: Some of this resistance to AI methinks goes too far. It’s a tool, and like any tool it can be misused. (Baseball bats as murder weapons, anyone?)
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Many people make this claim, but I disagree. Generative AI, the kind that spews out images and text, is not a tool.
A pencil is a tool. A brush is a tool. A guitar is a tool. Tools require SKILL.
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Scott Gray
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| Posted: 06 September 2026 at 11:29am | IP Logged | 8
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Evan S Kurtz wrote: It doesn't change the fact that "gets trained off of the work of human artists" is how actual human artists learn their craft.
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That's a very long way from being a "fact", Evan.
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Evan S. Kurtz
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| Posted: 06 September 2026 at 12:57pm | IP Logged | 9
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Human beings don't learn art from the art of other artists, Scott? I've taken a lot of art classes. I've never, ever taken one where we weren't studying or replicating the work of other artists.
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John Byrne
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First year of ACA we had a class in “reinterpretation”. The object was to copy famous works of art and, in theory, learn something of the techniques of the artists who created them. I called it “Forgery 101”.
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Scott Gray
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Evan, I'm not getting into some long, drawn-out thing with you where we try to pin down the precise meaning of "training" and "data". It's pointless.
What human beings do and what a colour photocopier does are not the same thing.
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John Byrne
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Tools require SKILL.••• An elitist attitude.
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