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James Woodcock
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Posted: 04 September 2026 at 4:17am | IP Logged | 1 post reply
AI can be a powerful assist.
For example, I use copilot to reformat work in office.
I like to hand sketch out Gantt charts and then plot them in excel (I’m not
great with project, but love excel - pivot tables are a thing of beauty). I can
now import an image of my sketch and get copilot to create my Gantt from
my sketch. Saves so much time.

A recent post from Wendy Pini got me thinking. She posted an AI picture of
a dragon. She talked about the ethics but admitted she found the dragon
itself beautiful.

I started thinking and asked the following, which I would like people’s
opinions on.
The Pinis have tried for decades to get an animated Elfquest cartoon made.
No one is prepared to make one.
Could the Pinis themselves make a generative AI version and it be classed
as ethical?

As no one will ever make an Elfquest movie, no one is losing a job - there
are and never will be a job for an animator to illustrate an Elfquest movie.
The Pinis own the IP lock, stock and barrel. Clearly, anyone else doing this
would be wrong. But would it be wrong for the Pinis to do this?

And then there would be the opening of the floodgates once done.
Again, if the IP is owned by an individual, and the animation is controlled by
that individual, in a situation where we know there is no commercial venture
that will produce a faithful product, would this be wrong?

I’m obviously not talking about corporations such as Marvel or DC in this
instance.

Edited by James Woodcock on 04 September 2026 at 4:20am
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Michael Roberts
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Posted: 04 September 2026 at 4:52am | IP Logged | 2 post reply

 QUOTE:
Could the Pinis themselves make a generative AI version and it be classed as ethical?

No.


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As no one will ever make an Elfquest movie, no one is losing a job - there are and never will be a job for an animator to illustrate an Elfquest movie. The Pinis own the IP lock, stock and barrel. Clearly, anyone else doing this would be wrong. But would it be wrong for the Pinis to do this?

Yes. 

The issue is not the Elfquest IP. The issue is that any model capable of making an Elfquest movie would require training from data that is not owned by the Pinis. 
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James Woodcock
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Posted: 04 September 2026 at 5:36am | IP Logged | 3 post reply
Very good point
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Darren Taylor
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Posted: 04 September 2026 at 6:38am | IP Logged | 4 post reply
"...would require training from data that is not owned by the Pinis. "

And 85% of this crime has already happened. Past tense.

These now Trillion dollar companies are working on the premise that is better to ask for forgiveness rather than fight for permission.
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