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Troy Nunis Byrne Robotics Member
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Honestly, I would think that would be in Fair Use or some other acceptable exception - and in the long run, not worth persuing one way or the other - some copywrite holded may disagree and that's why the couts exist. Usually, in terms of comics, i've only heard of legal action coming from use on covers or in advertizing - such as the Dr. Strange/Amy Grant situation from a few years ago.
Often when drawing something technical like a car, or a building, it is hard to say you used THIS photo or that photo since the Object or Building IS what it is, and many photos can likely have been taken, unless there is some unique composition you've copied. When you go into Models or Actors, however, it's easier to see "Oh, look, that's Kevin Costner from the Robin Hood Poster in the Ultimates this month" --
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Todd Hembrough Byrne Robotics Member
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I think this is a bit like what Justice Potter Stewart said about pornography,. in that he knew it when he saw it.
There are cases where objects are traced that pass the sniff test (a la
the Eiffle Tower), and cases where they dont (copying a movie
still of Brad Pitt in a comic).
Tough to make rules that perfectly capture every possible situation,
and it is clear that "Fair Use" would probably attach to any
basic photo of a landmark, building, person (In the case of Lincoln)
etc.
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Dave Pruitt Byrne Robotics Member
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I don't think tracing Brad Pitt is cool, if you're depicting Hank Pym (or whoever) but if you're trying to draw Brad Pitt in a comic, why not trace his likeness from a magazine? I wouldn't want to see every panel of a comic traced from a magazine photo, or screen stills from a movie, but if I'm drawing the cover to a comic adaptation of Troy, and my company has the license for Brad Pitt's likeness, I'm tracing his face on the cover, and maybe a few close up panels inside. What's wrong with that? I don't get it.
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Troy Nunis Byrne Robotics Member
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in this instance, by your parameters, you've only the rights to his Likeness, and not the copywrites on any specific photo, which generally would belong to the photographer, i belive - so your'e still tracing another artisans work without remitance to them. If you have the copywrites/blessings/whatever from all legal ownership of the photographs - have at it -- i think i alot of people will still look at tracing as shody work, but you've cleared the legal and ethical hurdles, i guess.
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Todd Hembrough Byrne Robotics Member
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Oh I certainly agree Dave, if you are trying to render a convincing
likeness of Pitt or anyone else, that seems a reasonable thing to
do.
These two are the two that were mentioned on LITG
Brad Pitt from Troy as Magneto

Topher Grace as Reed Richards

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Glenn Brown Byrne Robotics Member
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Can I get a link to this article from Lying In The Gutters that is referred to in this thread? Thanks.
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Todd Hembrough Byrne Robotics Member
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Sure Glenn,
http://www.comicbookresources.com/columns/index.cgi?column=l itg&article=2214
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Dave Pruitt Byrne Robotics Member
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Okay, that, I find kinda lame.
Looks like we've been discussing two separate things here. I'm saying, I think it's okay if JB traced photos when he did his Trek pieces for Star Trek Who's Who, to get the likenesses right. I don't think it's wrong if somebody traced David Duchovny's photo for a cover of X-Files. I have no problem with someone tracing a photo of a Ford Mustang, or a tractor trailer, or a locomotive, or the Empire State Building, if it made their job easier, and the piece more accurate. I think this is what Neal and JB were talking about when they said photos were tools. I don't think that kind of tracing is wrong or unethical, or cheesy.
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Todd Hembrough Byrne Robotics Member
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I agree completely Dave, and I think that the publishing company could
get into deep shit if it were discovered to be a widely occuring
phenomenon. lawsuits and all.
T
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Todd Hembrough Byrne Robotics Member
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Remember this one? Cassady's 'homage' overlaying JB's original.

Edited by Todd Hembrough on 26 August 2005 at 8:13am
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Todd Hembrough Byrne Robotics Member
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The originals. This is the kind of thing that I think is at best
lame, and at worst....(fill in your own adjective). I mean is
this what is expected when you do an homage cover? I doubt JB
every traced a 'King' Kirby cover in all of those that spoofed FF
1. Maybe I am wrong, though, I am a scientist, not a comic
artist...


Edited by Todd Hembrough on 26 August 2005 at 8:17am
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Brian Miller Byrne Robotics Member
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Topher Grace as Richards!? Bah. He was made to be Peter Parker, dammit!!!!
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