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Peter Martin
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Posted: 12 March 2025 at 8:47pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply


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I'm not sure what people expected re: stripping security clearances.  This is politics.  It isn't a Sunday picnic with friends and family.  Politics is dirty business. It always has been. It always will be. It is naive to think otherwise.

Sunday picnics have security clearances? The issue is that stripping these security clearances in a purge that appears to be without due process is not what has always been. It is one further piece of evidence of a worrying trend towards an authoritarian approach to politics in America and this is something new.

Furthermore, stripping these security clearances robs the current government of the ability to discuss classified issues with these people. For example, if Marco Rubio wanted to talk to, say, Antony Blinken to access his knowledge regarding foreign policy from the last four years, a lot of that ability will be blocked by Blinken's loss of security clearance.  In other words, the government is losing all the benefit of that experience.


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Mark Haslett
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Posted: 12 March 2025 at 9:13pm | IP Logged | 2 post reply

Quote: I'm not sure what people expected re: stripping security clearances. This is politics. It isn't a Sunday picnic with friends and family. Politics is dirty business. It always has been. It always will be. It is naive to think otherwise.

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Security clearances are not "politics". Anyone who would say this does not work in security and does not even understand the concepts involved.
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Brennan Voboril
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Posted: 12 March 2025 at 9:59pm | IP Logged | 3 post reply

A purge without due process?  I am not sure what that means.  Is it legal, or isn't it?  

As far as whether or not it is politics.  Of course it is. It is called payback.  
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Peter Martin
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Posted: 13 March 2025 at 8:21pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply


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Is it legal, or isn't it?

That is the crux of the matter, isn't it? The historical norm for America (derived from a long-held tenet of English common law) has been for due process to be in play: adherence to the established rules of the system which, in the case of the Government enforcing changes on individuals, means the Government's power is restricted by procedural protections. The established precedent is for revocation of security clearances to be subject to review. 

The US Constitution, via the fifth and fourteenth amendments, guarantees an individual the right to conduct business. Any denial change to a security clearance may prevent future employment and is therefore a constitutional liberty interest. If the decision to strip "any active security clearances held by individuals at Perkins Coie" or for, say, Mark Zaid, is purely political payback rather than an issue of national security -- as you state and as seems clear --  then it would seem unconstitutional. In the case of Zaid, who has represented whistleblowers using his clearance for the last thirty years, it restricts his ability to practice law in this way going forward.
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Mark Haslett
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Posted: 13 March 2025 at 9:09pm | IP Logged | 5 post reply

Further, when you take away someone's security clearance, you create a security risk by creating disgruntled ex-employees who know your secrets and are vulnerable targets for your intelligence gathering adversaries.

Not to mention the standard operating procedure which is that such things are not done.

But never mind the facts, Tulsi Gabbard is a real peach and, if you hadn't heard, she used to be a Democrat!
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Brennan Voboril
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Posted: 13 March 2025 at 10:02pm | IP Logged | 6 post reply

So, let them go to court, and have a judge and/or a jury hear the case.  I don’t believe they have a case, but I’m not an attorney.
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