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James Woodcock
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Posted: 04 July 2025 at 4:52am | IP Logged | 1 post reply

The whim of a madman

It’s a line from SPEED, but it’s a line that regularly plays in my head at the
moment.
I think the recent comment re Musk show us just how little long term
planning there is in a lot of this, other than ‘how do I remain in power
longer’.
By the time the public get to have a say, they won’t be allowed to have a
say. That’s the area where the long term planning is set.
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Matt Reed
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Posted: 04 July 2025 at 5:14am | IP Logged | 2 post reply

ICE is the authority.  Full stop.  Like the SS. Local police, jurisdictions, state, it won’t matter. It’s shameful. It’s an abomination. It’s horrendous.

Fuck every single motherfucker that voted in favor of this bill.  I hope they face punitive consequences while those below them literally die. 

So angry right now that I can’t contain it.
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Brandon Frye
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Posted: 04 July 2025 at 3:58pm | IP Logged | 3 post reply

There is now 'Alligator Alcatraz' merchandise out (some of which is federally funded). Hats, T-Shirts, mugs, etc. 

We are living in a Twilight Zone episode.



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Dave Kopperman
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Posted: 04 July 2025 at 4:40pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply

The ICE funding is the only thing Trump really cares about in this bill. Everything else is standard GOP stuff: dismantling the remaining New Deal and Great Society programs, drastically reducing taxes on the wealthy, deballing any green energy industry - it’s all the same old shit. But supercharging a masked and anonymous militarized National police force that answers only to presidential policy, operates outside the legal system, and has a mandate to target specific minority groups? How the fuck did we get here and how do we get back?
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Matt Reed
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Posted: 04 July 2025 at 5:28pm | IP Logged | 5 post reply

A must watch.  See it through to the end.  It’s the most powerful piece of writing I’ve ever heard about this horrible situation all Americans were waking up to this morning.

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James Johnson
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Posted: 06 July 2025 at 3:13pm | IP Logged | 6 post reply

How the fuck did we get here and how do we get back?

Dave,

The answer to the first part of your question is very easy and I'll put it in layman's terms. 😁

On the night of November 4th, 2008 at approximately 11PM EST, a (half) black man was elected to the highest office in the nation. That pissed off a certain segment (AND WE ALL KNOW WHO THEY ARE) of the population. They could not accept the fact that this man was elected and living in the White House for 8 years (possibly makin' SWEET LOVE to his wife. Thanks Chef!!!). 

That segment of the population began to accept anyone, no matter how flawed this person is (there's no WAS. He IS flawed). This flawed individual spoke in terms that certain segment of the population understood.

Racist shit. 

Also, this flawed person "loves" the uneducated voter and by many of that certain population being uneducated and/or racist, they loved what they were hearing and it broke through.

Which by listening to those in that certain population, it damn sure wasn't hard to do.
 
The answer to the second part, that's going to be hard. This country may have to take a bloody nose and lip in order to get things back to some semblance of normal.


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Evan S. Kurtz
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Posted: 06 July 2025 at 5:39pm | IP Logged | 7 post reply

This isn't the result of prejudice. But an increase in prejudice has absolutely been a result of the way our culture has been moving in the last few decades. Remember - according to the American National Election Study, 13% of Obama's voters in 2012 voted for Trump in '16. And I bet you if we looked back at Obama's voters from his first term, that number would be even higher.

So, what explains this?

I have believed since Obama was elected in a groundswell of support against Establishment Candidates like Hillary Clinton, backed with the evidence of the amount of support Ross Perot had across two elections in the 90's, that the critical ingredient to being elected in modern America is that the candidate must be an outsider of the establishment who threatens to disrupt the American system of democracy.

In many ways, Trump's triumph over sanity occurred because people actually believed that Obama was the "change" President, but he he was in many ways as "Establishment" as the rest, and the Democrats followed up his presidency by platforming a steady string of undesirable Establishment candidates. 

So why do people regularly vote for and support anti-establishment, cult-of-personality type leaders who aren't actually working on behalf the people who got them elected? Well, if you've ever passed through the Rust Belt, you might begin to get an idea as to how it happens. 

The truth is, the political establishment abandoned working class Americans decades ago. The wealth disparity is greater than ever - or at least maybe since the Depression. I grew up in a small town in NY state, and every time I go home to visit my family there I drive by dozens of homes that are falling apart, with sagging roofs and peeling paint, I drive past the burnt down husks of homes that nobody ever bothered to tear down or rebuild, I drive by shutdown factories ... these people are hopelessly poor. Hopelessly.

Couple the wealth disparity with a steady stream of skewed news and misinformation, and you get a volatile situation where a large segment of people see no reason not to just let it burn down. 

It's way, way more complicated than "they're ignorant racist idiots." Edited to add: and let's not forget that Trump got a larger segment of minority voters this time around than he did previously. It really is more about destroying the broken system than it is winning some bizarre social justice war ... and people aren't capable of recognizing that all they're doing is bringing greater hurt to everyone, themselves included, through the choices they've made to elect this orange turd.

Really the only chance that was ever left to the Democratic Party was to read the room and run a populist candidate - and they have no room for populist candidates in their party, because actually focusing on improving the lives of the American people would disrupt the Democratic Party establishment just as much as it would disrupt the entire country. They fought tooth and nail against Obama in '08. They - the party, not the people - went all-in on Clinton in '16. They shut down Sanders at every opportunity and even now people like AOC are considered "fringe" within their own party. 

And I say that "only chance" was in the past, because if it's not obvious, it's over now. They control the mechanisms of power. No way do they give that up. 


Edited by Evan S. Kurtz on 06 July 2025 at 5:42pm
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