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Athanasios Kollias
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Posted: 14 May 2025 at 10:20am | IP Logged | 1 post reply
Do you consider the Presidential Pardon, especially the use pre-emptively, as an accurance of power above the law?
An I am not talking just about Trump (othe Presidents have misused it as well), but the notion of the Presidential Pardon itself. As an outsider, I find it quite odd that the Presidents have such an outstanding power.
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Bill Collins
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Posted: 14 May 2025 at 10:55am | IP Logged | 2 post reply
As a Brit, i was astounded to read that Biden pardoned 5
relatives at the end of his presidency. Who has 5 convicted
criminals in their family?
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Richard Stevens
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Posted: 14 May 2025 at 12:33pm | IP Logged | 3 post reply
It's possible they were pre-emptive pardons, like with Dr. Fauci. Trying to keep the incoming people from going after them. 
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Dave Kopperman
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Posted: 14 May 2025 at 1:33pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply
Yeah, there was a lot of concern (in the center-left media) and outrage (in the RWEC) about those preemptive pardons, but honestly they were probably the most clear-eyed thing Biden could do about the upcoming Trump administration. We haven't yet gotten to the show-trial point in the cycle, but there's a pretty strong likelihood that there will be something along those lines. And the idea that Biden set some kind of precedent for Trump is weird bullshit, since Trump gonna Trump no matter what.

To be clear, I don't love any expanded Executive powers, the pardon power among them. But these uses - even including the pardon of Beau - felt like the least corrupt wielding of said power.
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