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Wallace Sellars
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| Posted: 13 May 2025 at 2:14am | IP Logged | 1
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John Byrne wrote:
| There’s no incentive to prove animal intelligence. No Nobel prize waiting for anyone who does. |
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I’ve often wondered how humankind would react if we learned that vegetation was sentient.
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Bill Collins
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| Posted: 13 May 2025 at 6:37am | IP Logged | 2
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Crow's dropping stones into glasses of water to raise the
water level to reach food shows intelligence. Even my dog
shows it. We had a striped doormat with stripes of various
shades of brown in our utilty room.He often "hid" stick
treats aligned with the matching shade of brown on the mat,
making it very hard to spot.
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Andrew Bitner
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I've never doubted that many animals display intelligence as we define it--the ability to solve problems and even use tools, crows being a fine example--but as noted, if we grant that animals have intelligence... that opens up a big Pandora's box.
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John Byrne
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Think about how long it took white Europeans to accept black Africans as truly human.
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Michael Penn
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In an earlier post, I'd mentioned my niece visited. Relevant to accepting even other people, I can add that she's a lesbian married to a non-binary woman. In my lifetime America's gone from first legalizing "interracial" marriage to, well, quite a bit more. More to do, but still, feels good.
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