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Barry Weinberger
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Posted: 21 October 2024 at 9:19pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

I really like this recent line of DC collected editions.
1-What does the rest of the board think?
2-What JB work would board members like to see in this format?
3-JB, have you seen this format, and what work of yours would you like to see in it?  Thanks.
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Brian Miller
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Posted: 22 October 2024 at 1:11am | IP Logged | 2 post reply

I’ve never heard of this format. What is it?
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Brian Hughes
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Posted: 22 October 2024 at 3:31am | IP Logged | 3 post reply

Books like the original Watchmen in a 10 dollar format.  Bigger than a digest, smaller than a trade.  So far, books like Batman Hush, The Long Halloween, All-Star Superman and many others have been put out, more to continue.  Marvel has stated that they will be exploring the format.
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Eric Smearman
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Posted: 22 October 2024 at 5:21pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply

I have ALL-STAR SUPERMAN and WONDER WOMAN: EARTH ONE.
There's a Catwoman volume that collects stuff by Darwyn
Cooke and Ed Brubaker that I've been eyeing.
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Dave Kopperman
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Posted: 22 October 2024 at 6:58pm | IP Logged | 5 post reply

A couple of things I missed that I’d love to pick up - the Morrison/Paquette Wonder Woman and that N. K. Jemisin Green Lantern. Neither seem like the art would suffer from such a reduction.  My concern would be whether these 53-year-old eyes could read the smaller lettering!  I bought the Moonshadow edition a couple of years back and it was impossible to decipher the copy - though the lettering was deliberately stylized and thin so that could have had an impact unique to that book.
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Brian Miller
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Posted: 22 October 2024 at 7:53pm | IP Logged | 6 post reply

Hell, I’ve been getting everything in bigger, Omnibus formats for the last
couple of years. These old eyes can’t handle everything getting smaller!
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Brian Hughes
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Posted: 22 October 2024 at 9:11pm | IP Logged | 7 post reply

DC's Compact format is 8.5x5.5 inches.

Marvel's version will be 9x6 inches and will sell for $15.
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John Popa
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Posted: 23 October 2024 at 6:37pm | IP Logged | 8 post reply

Hell, I’ve been getting everything in bigger, Omnibus formats for the last
couple of years. These old eyes can’t handle everything getting smaller!

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My sentiments exactly - bigger is better!
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Colin Ian Campbell
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Posted: 23 October 2024 at 7:18pm | IP Logged | 9 post reply

Marvel's version will be 9x6 inches and will sell for $15.
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Marvel already uses that format for the latest incarnation of its Marvel Masterworks books. 
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Bob Harvey
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Posted: 24 October 2024 at 12:26am | IP Logged | 10 post reply

I'm never in favor of reducing comics beyond the size they were intended to be. 
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Dave Kopperman
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Posted: 04 November 2024 at 4:31pm | IP Logged | 11 post reply

Barry: thanks for the heads-up on these!  I went out this weekend and picked up the Far Sector and Wonder Woman: Earth One volumes.  Pros and cons are essentially flip sides of the same coins:


Paper: the matte paper stock (which I prefer over modern glossy comics) looks great with the flatter color approach of the WW:E1, but the more subtle gradations and contrasts in Far Sector are lost because they were colored for glossy stock.  The fact that WW:E1 uses a strong black line throughout and Far Sector opts instead for much finer black outlines and fill approach and sometimes converts the linework to another color ends up making the latter overall more difficult to read. 


Lettering: The traditional hand-lettering look on WW:E1 is really readable, even at the smaller size, while the more typeset-looking font on Far Sector gets hurt a bit.  Not helped by the fact that they chose an odd font, something that's like a Garamond but missing the serifs, which isn't particularly aesthetically pleasing or readable.  Additionally, WW:E1 goes pretty much black text in white balloons and captions throughout for maximum clarity, while Far Sector has a ton of narrative captions set in knockout white on a not-fully opaque dark green that's a genuine challenge to read, in places.


Format: Both suffer a little bit with things getting lost in the gutter. I feel like larger trades normally compensate for that but it wasn't really a thought, here.


Composition: Both Paquette and Cambell favor baroque stylings and panel layouts, with the former doing a kind of J.H. Williams art nouveau filagree in lieu of clean borders and the latter dropping border outlines altogether in favor of just leaving a white or tonal space. Not sure if the reduction impacted the line art at all - but given that Campbell colored his own work, the whole line vs. color isn't really a thing.  It's all just art.  I have the first two issues of Far Sector and the manga-flavored art really pops and the colors are nice and vibrant there -  though I do recall the lettering not really being ideal at that size, either.


TL;DR: this format probably works best on older works with traditional flat color and lettering and may, in fact, be superior to some of the other existing trades of the same work if they retained the original coloring.



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Dave Kopperman
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Posted: 04 November 2024 at 4:32pm | IP Logged | 12 post reply

Even more TL;DR: well worth the money, more so depending on the volume.
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