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Jack Caleb Day Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 07 June 2025 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 18
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Posted: 07 September 2025 at 1:21pm | IP Logged | 1
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Hey I recently re-read Generations after buying the omnibus with all three volumes collected. Still blows me away like it did when I first read it as a youth; and I'm 26 so still probably a youth by your standards. Having grown up in the internet age and being as obsessed with the publication history and metatext of the comics as I was actually reading the stories; it defo provides an incredible tribute to the rich cultural history of the genre and I greatly enjoy some of the new characters you created like the Clark Wayne Knight-Wing.
But one question I have is; how planned out were II and III while you were doing the first one? And did anything get changed during the actual scripting process for the series? Were the reveals utilised in the II volume, like Clark Wayne already knowing his true parenthood and the Wayne's knowing they were going to die and choosing to accept their fate so Batman would exist to protect Gotham, already intended while writing the first mini-series? Or did you begin planning the story-arc and continuity developments of the second and third volumes after completing the first?
Appreciate any answer the talented Mr Byrne gives us.
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John Byrne
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Posted: 07 September 2025 at 1:43pm | IP Logged | 2
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II was very much a natural outgrowth of the first. III was something very much other than what I planned. Originally, III was intended to slip its chapters between what we‘d already seen in I and II, but DC editorial asked for big changes, both in format and content. Instead of four bookshelf volumes, as before, they asked for a twelve issue, standard half-tab format miniseries that took the story forward, up to and including the time of the Legion of Superheroes. This presented one problem immediately, since those thousand years were poorly documented, so there were few opportunities for the storyline to cross with known events. This made the whole thing, I felt, inferior to the first two. (Overall, perhaps the change was for the best, since one of the chapters I had planned was a very dark take on Captain Marvel.)
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Jack Caleb Day Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 07 September 2025 at 1:51pm | IP Logged | 3
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Thanks for the responce. I still enjoyed III but it defo feel's less dynamic than the previous volumes; saying that it was massively altered by DC's request makes sense despite being unfortunate for the book.
What was the original version of III gonna be like perchance? Also what was the planned take on Captain Marvel?
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John Byrne
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Posted: 07 September 2025 at 1:53pm | IP Logged | 4
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Nuh-uh!
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Jim Petersman Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 26 June 2012 Location: United States Posts: 681
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Posted: 07 September 2025 at 9:25pm | IP Logged | 5
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"Also what was the planned take on Captain Marvel?"
Somewhere in the forum, JB disclosed that Billy was going to be a guy in his forties or fifties that basically neglects his family to spend time in the much younger body of Captain Marvel. If there was anymore to the storyline, I can't recall.
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Peter Martin Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 08 September 2025 at 3:22am | IP Logged | 6
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That is a clever extrapolation of Captain Marvel, but probably wise to not go there ultimately.
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Jack Caleb Day Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 08 September 2025 at 11:59am | IP Logged | 7
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I actually think that sounds pretty interesting. Reminds of Young Miracleman spending decades without using his original body in Moore's Miracleman.
I honestly never got why kid superheroes bother to live normal lives. If I had been Captain Marvel/Shazam at ten years old I would not be going to school or working as a paperboy.
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John Byrne
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Posted: 09 September 2025 at 4:53pm | IP Logged | 8
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But these characters are NOT you, are they?One of the worst things a writer can do is drag his/her own life into the characters. “Well, that’s not what I would do!”
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Mark Haslett Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 09 September 2025 at 6:03pm | IP Logged | 9
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There’s a noble effect to having Captain Marvel Jr. spend time away so his alter ego can sell papers.
I really wonder if Superman would have caught on so immediately if he did not have Clark Kent from the start?
Generations makes a great case for the importance of a super hero’s private life. I think people feel intuitively that even a hero can’t be happy without confronting his/her inner life.
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Jack Caleb Day Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 10 September 2025 at 11:44am | IP Logged | 10
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"But these characters are NOT you, are they?One of the worst things a writer can do is drag his/her own life into the characters. “Well, that’s not what I would do!”" And that's a great point, but I generally find it odd that most kid superheroes don't at least consider such actions and/or still bow to parent authority as that's not what most children would do. I get why they have the characters attending school and dealing with 'teenage' problems but it always seemed counterproductive for that characters goals to even be spending their time still at school. Billy Batson can literally channel massive amounts of knowledge and wisdom while transformed; he'd learn much less at school.
I always greatly prefer the Robin's to not be at normal schools during their tenures and be educated by the rest of the Batfamily. Makes more logical sense to me.
From a personal standpoint I had such negative experiences throughout school that I didn't even want them appearing in fictional stories. I've always preferred adult Spider-Man for that reason; the less time spend seeing a schoolroom or hallway the better.
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John Byrne
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Posted: 10 September 2025 at 12:42pm | IP Logged | 11
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Unlike Clark Kent’s extreme portrayal, Dick Grayson was smart and good at sports, almost as good as Robin.
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Peter Martin Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 10 September 2025 at 7:09pm | IP Logged | 12
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QUOTE:
From a personal standpoint I had such negative experiences throughout school that I didn't even want them appearing in fictional stories. I've always preferred adult Spider-Man for that reason; the less time spend seeing a schoolroom or hallway the better. |
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But this revolves around you not the character. How do you feel about Harry Potter?
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