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Eric Ladd
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Heady stuff for a comic book, indeed! It wasn't until JB's FF run that I changed my view of Galactus from villain to force of nature. I was much younger back then, but part of the restoration for me was the evolution of my own viewpoint. Galactus is no villain anymore than a lion is a villain to a zebra. Part of the wonder I felt as a kid reading comics was that people much smarter than me give a language or shorthand to some rather philosophical subjects. Good vs. Evil and something like an embodiment of life expectancy is huge for youngins. This is the kind of stuff I fall to when someone claims comic books are childish. They may be intended for kids, but they can address some very high concepts.
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Matt Hawes
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Stan and Jack had the Watcher state from the beginning that Galactus was above being good or evil, as I recall. It's frankly childish how Chris Claremont responded to the Fantastic Four story by JB, and rude, as well. Between the Galactus matter, and how Claremont used Doctor Doom over in the X-Men book, he seemed set on poking JB. I am sure he wouldn't tolerate anyone else at Marvel messing with the X-Men characters in such a fashion without his input or permission.
On the subject of the latest Elsewhen page: Another great page with more wonderful expressions. Having new supporting characters will be interesting.
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John Byrne
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| Posted: 26 September 2019 at 10:44am | IP Logged | 3
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Right you are, Matt. When I read the original Galactus “trilogy” I was blown away, most especially by one moment in particular. As Galactus prepares to strip the Earth of its life-giving energy, Sue refers to him as “evil”. Immediately the Watcher, playing Chorus in this tale, corrects her. “Galactus is not evil. He is above good and evil. He does what he does because he must. He is Galactus.”Wow. Even Stan would forget this, as Galactus slipped quickly into the role of cosmic thug, and later writers would follow that pattern. But when he became “mine” the Watcher’s pronouncement was front and center in my thinking. (One thing that was also forgotten was that Earth was the FIRST planet inhabited by intelligent beings to which Galactus come. All that Zenn-La business came from John Buscema, and Stan, of course, didn’t remember how he’d written the characters before.)
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Brian Miller
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It’s kinda funny how Claremont wanted to use other “offices’” characters in X-books, but no one was allowed to use any X-characters in their books.
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John Byrne
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Yes. Funny.
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Jeffrey Rice
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Back to Elsewhen! Another fantastic page. I feel bad for Peter!
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Brian Miller
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Perhaps I should’ve used quotation marks around funny.
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John Byrne
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Perhaps I should have.
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Charles Valderrama
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THAT LAST PAGE!!! Really nice details on Nightcrawler.... especially the close-up on his eyes opening.... the plot thickens with Sebastian Shaw and the Sentinels!!!! WOW... Solid, entertaining issue, JB.
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Eric Ladd
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Love the end of this issue and the tease for Issue #5. It will be nice to see a good old fashioned super villain again.
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Vinny Valenti
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Gyrich's going into full-on villain mode. I wonder if the Avengers are going to find out what he's been up to this time?
(It was one of the things that bugged me about the "real" timeline - in ROM and AVENGERS, he was at worst a stuffed-shirt jerk, but at the same time in X-MEN he was doing rabidly-anti-mutant, villainous things.)
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John Byrne
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Really nice details on Nightcrawler....•• Thanks! I went back and forth in my mind several times over whether the "shadow effect" should be "turned off" in this sequence, since his powers are damped way down. Lucky I went the way I did, I guess, since Kurt would really have not looked like himself in black and white.
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