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Michael Penn
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Posted: 10 September 2020 at 4:53pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

This?
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Mark Haslett
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Eric: I'm curious as to why he would think the Professor is testing him.

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At this point in the ongoing story, Peter is a self-doubting and self-conscious superhero. He saw psychological challenges inside everything he faced -- I'm seeing this as a continuation of that character who (along with all the rest) has been long forgotten... until now.
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Chris Durnell
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Posted: 10 September 2020 at 6:32pm | IP Logged | 3 post reply

Michael Penn, that's during Cockrum's second run, right?  That period is actually one I've never read as it occurred before I began reading X-Men, and after I stopped reading Classic X-Men (where I read the first Cockrum and Byrne runs).

I don't remember that being referenced during the time I read, but it's probably because undersea adventures were simply a rarity.

Thanks for the info.
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Matt Hawes
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Posted: 10 September 2020 at 9:45pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply

About Colossus's needing air in armored form...

I remembered a few times reading that fact over the years. Somebody elsewhere noted that Claremont and Cockrum had him suffocate in space bound to Starcore, which is true. However, I pointed out that the same team showed Colossus didn't need air underwater, as Michael Penn showed through the link in his post.

I chalk this up to the earlier tale being so early in the run of "New" X-Men stories, the newer characters were still being developed. Sort of like how Superman couldn't fly, nor did he have x-ray vision or super-hearing in his earliest stories, but in later comics he had those powers and any stories dealing with his origins for decades never showed a time when he didn;t have those powers as an adult (heck, he had them as a baby in later tales).

If one must have an explanation, here is my attempt at a No-Prize:

Cyclops is the person that determined that Colossus was suffocating when the hull of the space shuttle the team is in had been breached. The omnipresent narrator does not indicate that Colossus is actually suffocating, nor does Colossus have any dialogue of thought balloons that suggest it. The next time we see him on panel after that brief scene is when he is fighting inside the star base. So... maybe Cyclops was simply in error in his assessment of what was happening with Colossus?



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John Byrne

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Being burned at the stake, his metal skin turning red, yet not choking on the smoke and heat—well, that was enough for me to be sure his normal respiratory processes were suspended.
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Jim Petersman
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Posted: 11 September 2020 at 6:06am | IP Logged | 6 post reply

Annnnnd I'm wrong again. I thought Xavier was sending Peter down knowing Jean would sense a friend in pain & need and save him.

I am curious as to why Scott said "something". Did Charles not share why they are out there? I know, I know; keep reading true believer! We're just so close to THE moment!!!
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John Byrne

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At this exact moment, Xavier is working on supposition. It would hardly be fair to Scott to set him up for ANOTHER fall, should that supposition prove wrong!
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Eric Ladd
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Posted: 11 September 2020 at 6:17am | IP Logged | 8 post reply

Jim - Did Charles not share why they are out there?

It would seem odd if they just witnessed Jean disappear and headed out to Jamaica Bay afterwards without Charles at least giving them a tidbit of info. Right now the readers are so far ahead of the actual characters regarding what is down there that it is hard to be patient.
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Wallace Sellars
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I am no more bothered by Xavier keeping this hunch close to the vest than the many times Reed urged his teammates to action first, then explained his reasoning later. How many times has Batman done the same thing to Robin? To me it's a superhero comic book thing.
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Eric Ladd
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Posted: 11 September 2020 at 6:39am | IP Logged | 10 post reply

Wallace, I agree. I think Professor X is keeping them in the loop, but perhaps not telling them, everything. The Reed Richards FF example is spot on.

Can anyone imagine what it would be like reading this when you were young? We would basically be 2+ years into the Phoenix/Dark Phoenix story and sub plot. My adolescent brain would be melting.


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Andrew Bitner
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Posted: 11 September 2020 at 6:52am | IP Logged | 11 post reply

Oh man, way to leave us hanging! (Even though we have a pretty good idea what that next page is likely to show us...)

Dang, JB, this is the most fun X-Men story I've read in ages.
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Michael Genitempo
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At this exact moment, Xavier is working on supposition. It would hardly be fair to Scott to set him up for ANOTHER fall, should that supposition prove wrong!
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Also, the X-men present may have some suspicions but are not daring to put it into words... Depends on whether Xavier has told them that it was "only" a copy who died, to assuage their grief... Or would he want to be sure before he said anything?
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