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Matt Hawes Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 04 August 2025 at 5:40pm | IP Logged | 1
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Back before the internet, my primary source for industry news was some fanzines and such as "Comics Feature" (a publication I actually did some work for near the end of its run).
JB has always been my favorite comic book artist, and though I collected DC, I was predominately a Marvel collector in the mid-1980s. I was also anxiously awaiting the 25th anniversary issue that JB had planned as mentioned in "Marvel Age," so it was a shock when I saw a blurb on the cover of either "Comics Collector," or "Comics Feature," I forget which one, that said JB was leaving Marvel. My heart skipped a beat, no exaggeration! LOL! It seemed unfathomable!
Naturally, I followed along. I was one of those readers that had started to pick up more DC as a result of "Crisis on Infinite Earths." I know part of the mission statement with that series was to "Marvelize" DC, and acquire some new Marvel readers, and it was working with me. JB heading over to do Superman just cemented things for me.
If you were there at the time, what was YOUR reaction when it was announced JB left Marvel for DC?
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John Byrne
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Posted: 04 August 2025 at 6:08pm | IP Logged | 2
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My favorite reaction came from none other than John Buscema.When I announced I was making the switch a bunch of “fans” squawked that I was doing it for the money. I responded that I actually expected to make less than I was making at Marvel. A while later Ralph Macchio told me Big John had poked his head into his office. “Is it true Byrne is expecting to make less at DC?” “Yes.” Buscema shook his head. “Schmuck.” :-)
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Shaun Barry Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 04 August 2025 at 7:11pm | IP Logged | 3
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The "big move" happened the summer I turned 14, but I didn't exactly have my pulse on the comic industry at the time, even though I was collecting like crazy. My first inkling that something was up was when (seemingly out-of-the-blue) Al Milgrom took over writing and art duties on INCREDIBLE HULK #320, released in March of '86. This elicited one big "Huh? What?? Awww, man!!!" response from this particular fan.
Later on, I of course did hear about the news of the Superman/DC move, and I was completely on board with it (I even remember somehow managing to catch his interview on the TODAY SHOW that year!)... though again, JB had already begun to withdraw from script and art duties on FF, which had me wondering/hoping he'd make a reappearance for their 25th anniversary issue that August, #296. I had been looking forward to that (like Matt, I probably read about it in MARVEL AGE), but wasn't thrilled with the end result--no JB to be found anywhere in the credits, not even under "Plotter."
But: I was thrilled with his SUPERMAN and LEGENDS work, and it helped move me over to more DC titles in general for the next few years afterwards.
(Edit: Some dates & numbers... memory ain't what it used to be!)
Edited by Shaun Barry on 04 August 2025 at 10:42pm
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Brian Miller Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 04 August 2025 at 8:33pm | IP Logged | 4
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My reaction is eerily similar to Shaun’s. The Milgrom HULK came out and it was just so jarring. Then I found out thru my cousin JB was going to DC/Superman. I didn’t collect any DC at the time and wasn’t very excited to do so. Until I saw my cousin’s copy of the Direct Market MOS 1 with that cover. I bet I read that 20 times that weekend. Of course the spinner rack at Alcorn’s Market didn’t have that cover but I snagged it. Made my mom go every week to try not to miss all the subsequent issues, but somehow we did miss MOS 5-6, SUPERMAN 1-2 and ACTION 584. I ordered those from Mile High and didn’t miss an issue until around 19 or 20. Somewhere around there. I did manage to get LEGENDS all from the spinner rack.
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Jason Ditzel Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 04 August 2025 at 9:51pm | IP Logged | 5
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Similar to Shaun & Brian. I was 15. Hulk ending was suspicious without an announcement like the AF->Hulk transition. Then FF? Oh no! I was a freshmen in high school so I got the scoop from other comic fans after asking around. The older fans went to comic shops and knew. But I lost track of JB for a couple of weeks, that's for sure.
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Doug Centers Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 04 August 2025 at 11:02pm | IP Logged | 6
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I was years out of comics when JB made the move, wondering how I would've felt about it. He was so entrenched in my head as the look of Marvel by 1980, but getting back into some DC titles would have been a welcoming change.
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Brian Miller Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 04 August 2025 at 11:58pm | IP Logged | 7
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I still don’t have that next issue of FF. I have no clue how that storyline resolved.
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Shaun Barry Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 05 August 2025 at 12:20am | IP Logged | 8
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(Good news for issue #296: Script by Stan Lee. Bad news: Plot by Jim Shooter--who knows how much he used or threw out of JB's proposed resolution.)
At least we got some solid fill-ins, in between JB's departure and the 25th anniversary, from the team of Roger Stern and Jerry Ordway, with plots by Mr. Byrne.
Edited by Shaun Barry on 05 August 2025 at 12:23am
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Matt Hawes Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 05 August 2025 at 12:37am | IP Logged | 9
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Doug, I believe that issue of "Comics Feature" you posted was THE issue I mentioned in my first post.
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John Byrne
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Posted: 05 August 2025 at 12:38am | IP Logged | 10
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At least we got some solid fill-ins, in between JB's departure and the 25th anniversary, from the team of Roger Stern and Jerry Ordway, with plots by Mr. Byrne.••• No plots from me!
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Matt Hawes Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 05 August 2025 at 12:40am | IP Logged | 11
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Brian, the FF storyline was a watered down version of what JB had said was planned in the Marvel Age interview. Marvel brought in Stan Lee to script it, but I still was bummed that I didn't get to read the story as JB had intended.
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Matt Hawes Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 05 August 2025 at 12:42am | IP Logged | 12
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JB, they did take some of your ideas for that 25th anniversary issue, based on the Marvel Age interview. However, as I mentioned, it wasn't executed well.*
*No slight to the creative team, as they were solid talents. I think they were trying to deal with JB's departure as best as they could.
Edited by Matt Hawes on 05 August 2025 at 12:44am
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