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John Byrne

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Posted: 25 September 2025 at 3:58pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

You mean, JB isn't a God? Now you tell me!

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I am the Lord and the Light and the one True path to comic books.

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Michael Penn
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Posted: 25 September 2025 at 4:06pm | IP Logged | 2 post reply

But JB is one of the old grumpy gods...!
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Dave Kopperman
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Posted: 25 September 2025 at 4:25pm | IP Logged | 3 post reply

Spookily enough, the new season of Futurama is on Hulu and the episode I watched yesterday just happened to be about the Rapture. First two acts were great, as they dived into the religion vs. science vs. faith trifecta that the show has always had a strong angle on. The mystery solve in the third act was extra-stupid, but what the heck. This was very much a journey-not-destination kind of episode - which I guess is the inverse of the actual Rapture.

When my wife was going off to teach her night class last night, I asked her to text me if she was getting Raptured.
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John Byrne

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Posted: 25 September 2025 at 4:32pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply

As I would love to point out to Neal Degrasse Tyson some day, it's no use to argue science against religion. The Believers have the ultimate ace in the hole: God did it. Rational thought can find no avenue around that one!
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Peter Martin
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Posted: 25 September 2025 at 7:27pm | IP Logged | 5 post reply

This is a fair point. When the starting point of their thinking is the most unlikely being in all existence, it's kind of pointless to argue with whatever reasoning they build on top of "omnipotent creature that has always existed and is perfect but needs no explanation of where it came from or how it exists."
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Robert Bradley
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Posted: 25 September 2025 at 7:59pm | IP Logged | 6 post reply

When you bake "faith" into your religion as a core principle, you don't ever have to question your beliefs.

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John Byrne

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Posted: 25 September 2025 at 8:44pm | IP Logged | 7 post reply

“I refuse to prove that I exist,” says God, “for proof denies Faith, and without Faith I am nothing.”

                           THE HITCHHIKERS GUIDE TO THE GALAXY

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Brian ONeill
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Posted: 25 September 2025 at 9:03pm | IP Logged | 8 post reply

He's called 'John Byrne' because it's easier to spell(if not pronounce!) than 'JHWH Buddha'.
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Steve Coates
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Posted: 25 September 2025 at 9:28pm | IP Logged | 9 post reply

Faith means certainty where there is no evidence. Which is all beliefs.
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Evan S. Kurtz
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Posted: 25 September 2025 at 11:29pm | IP Logged | 10 post reply

The way I’ve always explained it is that faith is expressing a belief in something that cannot rationally be true, as a means of acknowledging the persistent inexplainable mystery of our own creation. 

I personally don’t have a problem with people who identify as “religious.” The vast majority of all religious doctrine can be boiled down to “treat others the way you want to be treated” - but much as all other large organizations of people seem to become susceptible to the abuses of sociopathic, manipulative leaders, religion seems to be the same but with even less oversight or accountability somehow.

In spite of the abuses of those who manipulate power and people, I prefer to believe in the inherent compassionate nature of people. Rather than see people as the problem, I’d rather treat them the way I want to be treated - as someone who sees, or wants to see, the divine in everyone. 

Our engines burn the literal energy of creation itself; stars once contained the atoms within us, and when we die that energy will continue on in ways we don’t understand. If there is a God, or even just a creator, it’s literally us and everything around us, was us before we formed our first thought, and will continue to be us when our bodies are dust inside a dead rock. How can you be raptured to join something you were always a part of? I feel sad for people who allow themselves to be manipulated into believing and doing things that could be described as “self-harm.” 


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John Byrne

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Posted: 26 September 2025 at 10:19am | IP Logged | 11 post reply

If people would open themselves to the true wonders of the natural universe, we would not need to fuss and bother with such tiny things as “gods”.

Daily I sit on my terrace and marvel at the tapestry of life all around me. Trees, grass, flowers, butterflies, dragonflies, ants, worms, the constant chorus of tree frogs, the birds and bats that swoop and dive overhead, my dog frolicking in the yard.

We’re all related, and we’re all alive because stars died.

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Michael Penn
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Posted: 26 September 2025 at 12:46pm | IP Logged | 12 post reply

On the flipside, since pre-modern people were constantly exposed to the utterly unfeeling brutality of the natural world, the desire to create a Big Daddy in the Sky to keep them safe either here or at least compensate with another better world (heaven) makes "sense." And it also could inspire humans (who are, after all, part of nature) to violence here on earth...

  • Richard: You want him dead? You do it.
  • Eleanor of Aquitaine: You unnatural animal.
  • Richard: Unnatural, Mummy? You tell me, what's nature's way? If poisoned mushrooms grow and babies come with crooked backs, if goiters thrive and dogs go mad and wives kill husbands, what's unnatural?

The price of our ability to appreciate the universe is not trifling: the fruit of the tree of knowledge is both sweet and bitter!


Edited by Michael Penn on 26 September 2025 at 12:46pm
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