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Joseph Gauthier
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Posted: 03 April 2026 at 11:11pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

I'm not sure it is, but I'd like to hear from others on the topic. But a little background first: 
I was having a conversation with ChatGPT about Daredevil and it recommended a couple runs released after my time as a reader that it thought I might enjoy. It provided, at my request, links to several page samples from the recommended runs. Ultimately, while I enjoyed the work of one of the artists, I found the latter artist's work--at least in the samples I saw--far less satisfying. In my opinion, the latter artist consistently chose unfortunate perspective points which contributed, in part, to the production of a collection of static moments in time. He also seems to produce flattened backgrounds, as if the subject--often appearing static itself--is simply superimposed over indistinct backgrounds with little variation and visual interest, and no illusion of depth. Of course I'm aware that many of my favorite comic book artists from my reading era often produced empty backgrounds, but from my perspective that technique produces an integrating effect rather than a sense of superimposition.

And that brings me to the standard I'm wondering about...is it fair to judge a comic book artist's work by mentally removing the subject of the images and assessing what's left? As I said, it doesn't feel fair to me, but, at least in this case, I can't help but doing so.
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Steve Coates
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Posted: 04 April 2026 at 1:04am | IP Logged | 2 post reply

Yes, but its not a standard.
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Bill Collins
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Posted: 04 April 2026 at 6:24am | IP Logged | 3 post reply

Art is subjective, so why would you ask A.I. for
recomendations? Ask a human being who reads comics, there
are plenty of forums.
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Trevor Smith
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Posted: 04 April 2026 at 9:36am | IP Logged | 4 post reply

Bill, thinking back to my 18-20ish year old self, hanging
out at the comic shop, and the general tenor of many of the
rest of the crew that hung out there, I can think of *many*
reasons why one would rather talk to AI than the average
comic fan!
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John Byrne

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Posted: 04 April 2026 at 1:11pm | IP Logged | 5 post reply

Bill, thinking back to my 18-20ish year old self, hanging out at the comic shop, and the general tenor of many of the rest of the crew that hung out there, I can think of *many* reasons why one would rather talk to AI than the average comic fan!

•••

There You sum up all that went wrong with the industry, once the comic shops came to power.

(And, yes, I know there were a lot of good shops. But there also weren't. . . )

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Joseph Gauthier
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Posted: 04 April 2026 at 3:33pm | IP Logged | 6 post reply

Bill, while I have received a number of really terrific book and music recommendations from ChatGPT in the past (since December), recommendations were not what I was after in the conversation I mentioned above. Instead, I was tracking various aspects of the character: the portrayal of his heightened senses, his application of them as a superhero and as a lawyer, the evolving portrayal of his radar sense, and the addition of his Catholic identity. The AI system only offered recommendations when I mentioned that I never followed up on a younger acquaintance's recommendation of a particular run because I don't care for the writer's work in a different medium, and because I didn't like the writer's conceptualization of Daredevil's radar sense, as described to me by my recommending friend.
That said, I'd like to challenge your suggestion that art is subjective. We tend to treat that suggestion like a truism without ever really pushing back against it, but there do exist enough broad patterns of agreement--across time and culture--that the best agreement I can reach is that judgement of art is subject to a constrained subjectivity.
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Steve Coates
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Posted: 04 April 2026 at 4:40pm | IP Logged | 7 post reply

I was once in a comic shop, where a small group of regulars was conversing with the clerk, mostly swearing. I thought it a poor invitation to younger children, for them to make the environment so hostile. I never returned.

I think our collective consciousness has been so molded by what is presented as ART from so many fronts, we, as individuals, can not even analysis what is art for ourselves. I just go with what I like and don't worry about it being art, without any expectations of anyone liking what I do. 
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