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Joe Smith
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Posted: 01 September 2007 at 1:49pm | IP Logged | 1  

because the old ones are broken off,

or,

is this something so precise that buying a table with a machine on it
missing the x and y axis things would be useless and I should buy a brand new one?

 

It's free.

and I've always wanted one.

I'm teetering on the edge here, so be gentle.

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John Byrne

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The "arms" on my machine slide into accompdating slots at the 12 and 3 points on the hub. There would not be an issue of them "breaking off", unless those slots, which are steel attached to steel, somehow broke.

If that's what happened to yours ---- I'd say time for a new one!

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Robert Carolgees
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What's a drafting machine? 
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John Byrne

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Robert Carolgees
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doh! Of couse it is - I must have been having some mental issue - for some reason, I couldn't picture it and was thinking of some big mechanical thing!


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Joe Smith
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I see that picture in my dreams sometimes....

I'm going Monday to see this thing, my fingers are crossed that they are just missing and not broken.

It supposedly has a foot pump kind-of lever to raise and lower the board, which makes me all hot & bothered like nudity would.

(contractor putting in a portico at the restaurant told me about showing his plans on his table, and when he mentioned slide rule, I perked up my ears.

Asked him where I could find a drafting machine. 

He says "Want one free?"

I sport wood.)

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D. Alan Allred
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JB-
I know you have posted that picture of the drafting machine a million
times and I understand the grid system you use, but my question is this:

How do you establish far away vanishing points with that machine? I have
a drafting arm and I find I'm still using a yard stick to draw the far away
vanishing points and then simply pivoting the stick to draw the lines.
Also- any tips on drawing those vanishing points using just a drafting
arm?
Thanks-
Dave
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Joe Smith
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oooh..

this should be good!

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D. Alan Allred
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Hey Joe-
I'm not sure we're gonna get an answer on this one!
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John Byrne

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How do you establish far away vanishing points with that machine? I have a drafting arm and I find I'm still using a yard stick to draw the far away vanishing points and then simply pivoting the stick to draw the lines. Also- any tips on drawing those vanishing points using just a drafting arm?

•••

Patience is a virue, you know.

Anyway, I am not sure how easy this will be to explain, without a practical demonstration. When I want to have the vanishing points at a substantial distance -- as when one of the three is actually inside the page, for instance -- what I do is this: cheat.

Basically, it's a combination of the machine and eyeballing. I unlock the hub, so the arm turns freely, then I lock it again with the small thumb lock. This allows for quick lock and turn moves. With the arm locked, I draw three parallel lines, maybe half an inch apart. Less, if it's a small drawing, like a single panel on a page. That done, I unlock the arm, rotate it ever so slightly, lock it again, slide it down half an inch, and draw three more parallel lines. Repeat this process until the bottom of the page or panel is reached. By then, you will find the arm is considerably out of true with your original three lines.

Takes a bit of practice, estimating just where you want to place the hub, and how close together you want the parallel lines. (And discovering if this time you might need four, or two, instead of three.) The end result, if you do it right, is an optical illusion. It looks like there is perspective, but there really isn't.

As to your second question -- if I am understanding you correctly, the only downside of the machine is that there is no way to get the lines to come to an accurate single point. The center on which the arms rotate is somewhere inside the hub, so the pencil cannot get anywhere near it. Plus, the arm does not generate a true perspective, more of a forced one.

So for vanishing points actually inside the image (an extreme down shot, for instance) I fall back on the ol' set-square. ("Triangle", to civilians.) Having a couple of those, with different length sides, can be very handy.

And sometimes, of course, I just eyeball it and do it freehand.

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Pat Ditton
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I'm not up-to-date with drafting / art software  - but is there a program out there that can generate VP lines given specified points of reference, etc ?  
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John Byrne

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Probably -- but why use such a thing?
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