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Michael Roberts
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The problem with your statement is that you are basing it on a feeling,
instead of scientific data. It might be higher, but there is no good data that
proves the higher percentage. How do they know that people are not being
honest? You can't just say that in order to discredit the results.
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That's true. But it would also be inaccurate to say that this survey represents
the actual percentage of homosexuals. All that can be said with this survey
is that it represents the percentage of people who identify themselves as
homosexuals.
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Paul Greer
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Neil, I know I'm just going on what I see in the world and who I interact with and I'm not trying to discredit any study. I can only guess why people lie about their sexuality. But there are many reasons one can and will lie about it. I didn't read about the control group that was sampled. I'll go back and read how the study was conducted. Who were sampled, how many and how the interviews were conducted. Those, and many other factors, have huge bearings on how people answer questions.
Edited by Paul Greer on 10 September 2007 at 5:16pm
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John Byrne
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| Posted: 10 September 2007 at 5:20pm | IP Logged | 3
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I was stunned by Kitty Pryde in issue #196, a comics code approved issue. •• Why? To quote Bart Simpson, she uses the word correctly -- ie, as a racially charged epithet which provokes offense in the person to whom it is directed. Just as in the context of the scene, his use of the word "mutie" is offensive to her. Is "mutie" a silly little word that has no meaning? Of course it is. And, one more time, so is "nigger". Words are just words. They have only the power we give them. For some reason -- utterly beyond my comprehension -- the past twenty years or so have seen members of the White "liberal" community and some members of the Black community doing everything they can to give back to the word "nigger" all the "negative energy" other members of the Black community had managed -- by making it their own -- to strip from it. Words have only the power we give them. Kitty uses "nigger" to indicate that the word "mutie" has been given the same kind of power. A perfectly legitimate -- and itself powerful -- usage. Something which, in those pre-PC days, even the stodgie old fogies at the Code understood.
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Neil Lindholm
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Of course. However, when I compare a study done by Stats Canada, an impartial body that has no vested interest in the outcome, and a number from an activist lobby group, I tend to lean toward the impartial observer.
The only numbers I have seen are from Stats Canada and from Gay Activist groups. This is similar to anti-poverty groups that claim that one million children in Canada are poor. Don't really put much validity into their claims, although news agencies will simply parrot these numbers, without thinking about the source.
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John Byrne
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1% seems awfully low.
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I agree. Now, granted, I have ties to the Show Biz community, which tends to skew the data, but even eliminating that, I would have to say the percentage of my friends and co-workers who are homosexuals (male and female) is much higher than 1%.
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John Byrne
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…Stats Canada, an impartial body that has no vested interest in the outcome…•• Oh, now that's funny!
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Paul Greer
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I remember that issue of X-Men. I thought it worked perfectly. The prejudice the X-Men faced was the same that any minority group has faced over the years. Claremont just used that scene to drive home the point more bluntly. But at no time did I think it condoned the n-word. It just reinforced how awful it and other slurs can be.
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Neil Lindholm
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Okay, less vested interest.
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Jesus Garcia
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I was once called a "wet back" on a forum a few years ago and didn't even realize that I was being insulted. Apparently this is some sort of American derogatory term for latinos/hispanics.
I guess ignorance can be bliss.
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Paul Greer
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Neil, I'm not questioning the group doing the study. I just feel that some folks live their lives as closeted homosexuals. If it's because of social or religious pressure I don't know. But if they can't admit to their friends or family about their sexuality, why would they open up to some survey?
Edited by Paul Greer on 10 September 2007 at 5:31pm
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John Byrne
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I was once called a "wet back" on a forum a few years ago and didn't even realize that I was being insulted. Apparently this is some sort of American derogatory term for latinos/hispanics.I guess ignorance can be bliss. •• The person who called you that is clearly a moron. You're from Canada. You're a snowback.
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Neil Lindholm
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I agree Paul. My point was that the number was shown by a survey to be
much lower than the 10% heard from activist groups. From extrapolation, 4
or 5% seems to be more realistic than 6-10%
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