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Andrew Hess
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Posted: 06 January 2015 at 7:15pm | IP Logged | 1  

Back about 15 years ago or so when the Marvel comic "Origins" came out, which showed Wolverine in his youth with bone claws, there was all sorts of gnashing of teeth (me included!) about how there is no animal in nature that shoots bone out of its skin to defend itself.

However...

In reading the book "WTF, Evolution?!" I came across this little creature: the sharp-ribbed newt:



When predators grab it, it pokes its ribs thru its skin to stab them!

It even has a sort of Healing Factor! Even tho it swims in bacteria-infested waters it doesn't get infections; some sort of antimicrobial compounds in its body.

Okay, bit of a stretch comparing it to Wolverine, but still...nature is crazy.
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Stephen Robinson
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My issue with the bone claws is that it's a separate
ability from the healing factor (I don't see any
biological connection). I prefer mutants to have *one*
extra power.

I also prefer that the primary ability *be* the mutant
power, but I confess I cut Wolverine slack early on when
his adamantium claws were artificial and only tangentially
related to his mutant power.
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Steven Legge
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My issue with the bone claws is that they're stupid.
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John Byrne

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"Stretch" is a stretch.
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Brad Teschner
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Posted: 06 January 2015 at 11:39pm | IP Logged | 5  

Yeah, I thought the bone claws were really dumb too.
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Jeffrey Rice
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My issue with the bone claws is that they're stupid.
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A candidate for best comment so early in the year!

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John Popa
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Posted: 07 January 2015 at 7:36am | IP Logged | 7  

I just don't think 'Sharp-Ribbed Newt' is as catchy a superhero name as 'Wolverine.'
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Vinny Valenti
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I would have been more or less ok with the bone claws if
they did what I thought they would do....the bone claws
being utterly useless and breaking every time he tried to cut
anything harder than cardboard. That could have been an
ironic twist - having claws but not being able to use them,
so he'd have to get by some other way.
But no, the bone claws pretty much sliced through
everything like butter, just like the Adamantium claws did.
What's the point of Adamantium, then?

Edited by Vinny Valenti on 07 January 2015 at 9:29am
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John Byrne

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I would have been more or less ok with the bone claws if they did what I thought they would do....the bone claws being utterly useless and breaking every time he tried to cut anything harder than cardboard. That could have been an ironic twist - having claws but not being able to use them, so he'd have to get by some other way.

But no, the bone claws pretty much sliced through everything like butter, just like the Adamantium claws did.

What's the point of Adamantium, then?

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Chris first started musing about bone claws when I was still on the book, and I shut that down pronto. One of my reasons for showing Wolverine's skeleton in "Days of Future Past/Time Out of Mind" was to emphasize what we already knew: that his bones had been replaced with adamantium, and the claws were mechanical.

Once I was gone, Shooter decided this was "unrealistic" and Chris started referring to Logan's bones as being "laced with adamantium," whatever the ^&$% that means! Bone claws were not far behind.

At work here is the same kind of thinking that gives Spider-Man biological webbing. Logic is thrown out the window, and the mutation presents in a most convenient manner. How fortunate that Parker's web-spinner wasn't at the base of his spine, approximating a real spider. How handy that Logan's claws retract into the back of his hands/forearms, not, like all other clawed animals, his fingertips.

Superheroes are, by definition, outrageous and unrealistic, but, to borrow a phrase from Richard Donner, we must THINK VERISIMILITUDE. It doesn't have to be realistic, it just has to be believable!

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Frank Stone
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Posted: 07 January 2015 at 3:47pm | IP Logged | 10  

And to think that this whole convoluted, decades-long brouhaha could have been avoided if Mr. Claremont had simply stuck with the original concept, per Len Wein: The claws are external devices that are attached to the gloves. They are made up of segments which fit together seamlessly when extended (being made of adamantium, and therefore unbreakable, the walls of the segments are only about a molecule thick) and retract into the metal housings on the gloves when not in use.

Indeed, there are several panels within the first few issues of the relaunched X-Men which show a close-up of Wolverine's hand with the claws retracted, and the points of the claws are clearly visible just inside the metal housings (which is consistent with the original concept -- Dave Cockrum had clearly done his homework). If the claws were a part of his body and rested within his forearm when retracted, this would not have been the case; in fact, the claws would have been bridging his hand and forearm, and he would not have been able to move his wrist!

The "revelation" that the claws were a part of Wolverine's body raises another question: If the claws are a part of him and extend directly out of his hands, what is the point of having those metal housings on the gloves? They serve no purpose. All he would need on his gloves to accommodate the claws would be a set of "buttonholes" (a la the gloves he wore in DOFP).

And don't even get me started on Mr. Claremont's "revelation" that the claws puncture the flesh of Wolverine's hands every time he extends them, but his mutant power instantly heals the wounds!
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John Byrne

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Posted: 07 January 2015 at 3:56pm | IP Logged | 11  

The "revelation" that the claws were a part of Wolverine's body raises another question: If the claws are a part of him and extend directly out of his hands, what is the point of having those metal housings on the gloves? They serve no purpose. All he would need on his gloves to accommodate the claws would be a set of "buttonholes" (a la the gloves he wore in DOFP).

And don't even get me started on Mr. Claremont's "revelation" that the claws puncture the flesh of Wolverine's hands every time he extends them, but his mutant power instantly heals the wounds!

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First, I have to take responsibility for that second one. I suggested it during my time on UNCANNY.

As to your other point, the housings are there to keep the gloves from fraying. After all, unless they're glued on, those gloves are going to slip and slide a bit with the movement of his hands and fingers.

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Stephen Robinson
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Posted: 07 January 2015 at 4:59pm | IP Logged | 12  

I like the the claws are "part" of Wolverine and thus
unique to him.

I know that might seem hypocritical given my position on
mechanical webshooters, but those work for me because 1)
Spider-Man built them himself and 2) they are not his
"primary" power.
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