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Dean Munday
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Posted: 25 September 2022 at 11:22am | IP Logged | 1 post reply

There's an interesting article over on the Bleeding Cool site about comic speculators from the 70s through to the 90s, with interviews with comic store owners at the time, using Uncanny X-Men to illustrate certain market observations.

If I interpret the comments accurately, there seems to be a common opinion that the moment X-sales really took off and the title gained its 'uber' popularity, was the arrival on the series of one JB. That's not to say Chris & Dave had not done a fine job on the title beforehand - but the comments in the article suggest that the wider sales appeal (with specifically a new female audience demographic being cited), was down to change on the title.

I guess we'll never know exactly the degree to which increased readership at the time was due to the art alone, or to the input/influence on subsequent plots/characterization. If 'Elsewhen' has achieved anything, it strongly suggests both were instrumental. They certainly were for this particular reader. Once again, thank you JB - both for the then and and now.

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John Byrne

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Posted: 25 September 2022 at 1:24pm | IP Logged | 2 post reply

UNCANNY flirted with cancellation the whole time I was on it.
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Steven Queen
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Posted: 25 September 2022 at 9:01pm | IP Logged | 3 post reply

 John Byrne wrote:
UNCANNY flirted with cancellation the whole time I was on it.
That blows my mind.  I could feel it (among my teen-aged peers) gaining momentum---culminating with the Death of Phoenix.

The "female demographic" does sound to me like history is being re-written there too.
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Andrew Bitner
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Posted: 26 September 2022 at 8:01pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply

I don't know that there was much of a female demographic in comics readership in the late '70s. I'm sure there were SOME women reading but I don't know that there were as many then as seem to be reading now.

And it's weird to imagine it, given how gigantic those stories loom in hindsight, but the numbers on UNCANNY X-MEN didn't take off until... the '80s? Absent that groundwork JB did, though, UXM might well have gotten canceled.


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John Byrne

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Posted: 26 September 2022 at 8:44pm | IP Logged | 5 post reply

Years after X-MEN I was on a podcast. One of the interviewers asked when I knew the book was really going to take off. I said “When Paul Smith took over as penciler.”
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Joe Smith
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Posted: 27 September 2022 at 3:18am | IP Logged | 6 post reply

I've always thought it was X-Men 173,(PS Cover, and great
artwork and story inside, yes, including Ninjas...)
followed short months later by the affordably priced DPS
Mini Digest that set the fire burning and strapped the
rocket to JB's stardom.
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Steven Queen
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Posted: 27 September 2022 at 10:31am | IP Logged | 7 post reply

A stray thought occurred to me last weekend while mowing the lawn --- some things just get linked in your mind, and here's one from mine:

John Byrne is the Tom Baker of X-men stories.
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John Byrne

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Posted: 27 September 2022 at 6:39pm | IP Logged | 8 post reply

John Byrne is the Tom Baker of X-men stories.

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Surely that would be Chris Claremont!!

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Brian Miller
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Posted: 27 September 2022 at 11:18pm | IP Logged | 9 post reply

…I said “When Paul Smith took over as penciler.”



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Was that due to his art? What do you feel he brought in as penciller that,
perhaps, you and Dave did not?
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Stéphane Garrelie
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Posted: 28 September 2022 at 2:11pm | IP Logged | 10 post reply

This is the kind of things that even today looks odd to me.

When i was a kid, if you  asked what were the best series, the answer always was The Uncanny X-Men by Chris Claremont, John Byrne and Terry Austin, and Iron Man by David Michelinie, John Romita Jr and Bob Layton.
That was my opinion, the one of my friends, and the one of the readers in the mail of the books, which published 4 or 3 series each.
And Iron Man or the X-Men were characters you knew existed only if you were in super-heroes comics, we came for Hulk, Spider-Man, Batman or the Fantastic Four, but once there, we discovered that the best series were about those  characters that weren't that well known.



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John Byrne

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Posted: 28 September 2022 at 3:28pm | IP Logged | 11 post reply

Fans have always tended to view their personal microcosms as representative of the industry as a whole. This is why books like SWAMP THING (original), GREEN LANTERN/GREEN ARROW and, yes, the ANAD X-MEN are remembered as hits.
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ron bailey
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Posted: 28 September 2022 at 3:31pm | IP Logged | 12 post reply

Noteworthy to remember, especially pre-internet, how something well-received would take a while through word of mouth to actually become a hit (if at all, plenty never made the transition).  < id="protanopia"> < id="deuteranopia"> < id="tritanopia">
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