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Rick Senger
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Posted: 14 July 2023 at 3:39am | IP Logged | 1 post reply

With actors now also on strike as of tonight, the fall tv season is in serious
jeopardy. And at a time Hollywood is still reeling, trying to find a road to
getting butts back in movie theater seats. This could either cripple the
industry which is already contracting or it could lead to wholesale changes.
Don’t know the answer but I do know that it’s going to be seemingly hard
for an industry which lost billions in the past three years to suddenly find
the new revenue to fund what the unions want. This isn’t to say that the
changes in the model involving digital / streaming aren’t relevant and
appropriate to negotiate about, just that the timing isn’t ideal and this isn’t
going to be easy to resolve.
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John Byrne

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Posted: 14 July 2023 at 10:17am | IP Logged | 2 post reply

I still have trouble imagining the general public offering up much support for this. After all, as they all know, acting is a really cushy job, and actors already make millions.

(Where’s that sarcasm emoji…?)

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Rick Senger
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Posted: 14 July 2023 at 3:25pm | IP Logged | 3 post reply

The ones at the top make millions. But according to Variety, in 2020 (admittedly a pandemic year, but there were 3 or so months of work for everyone before it hit) ~20% of all actors in the Screen Actors Guild qualified for union health insurance. In order to qualify, a SAG actor needed to earn more than $25,950 for the year.

So ~80% of actors in SAG made less than $25,950 in 2020.

Certainly Covid skewed these numbers but I've read similar numbers in the past showing the money concentrated at the top but with a good 2/3rds or more SAG-Aftra members really struggling to get by and health insurance has been an increasingly big issue. It's a feast at the top but not as much in the middle or the bottom.

So, this isn't really for the people at the top. It's for the Joe Lunchpailers trying to earn a living. Some actors who aren't stars really don't work much period, so if they're not getting jobs this won't help. And beyond quantifying the money coming from streaming (something the studios haven't been forthcoming about) it's hard to squeeze money from an dried up orange that has been sitting in the Covid desert for 3 years. This could be a tough fight and badly timed.
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Matt Reed
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Posted: 15 July 2023 at 12:19am | IP Logged | 4 post reply

Personally, I think the timing will always be bad with regard to the studio POV. Lean times.  Boom times.  Doesn’t matter.  I also believe that if this was happening in pre-COVID 2019 the studios would have said pretty much the same thing they’re saying now: not good timing, upheaval in media, linear TV struggling.  Versions of the same excuses they’re using now.

There comes a point when the employee can’t concern themselves with the perception of studio execs or if the timing is off.  For many, many people in this industry (far more than the 1% who get paid handsomely), they’ve hit a breaking point.  They are struggling just to earn a living wage in a city where rents have skyrocketed and buying a home is all but impossible.  Many outside LA may not see it, but gas prices here haven’t gone down much past $5/gallon.  In a city where travel for shoots and work is a must, that drains already precious income.  I’m not really sure when the best time to strike would actually be, but when there is a segment of actors who are getting paid the same today as they were 30 years ago?  When cost of living hasn’t been factored into wages?  Where residuals have become almost a joke for the rank and file?  Should they really wait another three years (2026) during which systems and payments will become even more entrenched and their window to have some sort of control over how AI is used will be rapidly closing if not shut entirely?  

It’s going to be a tough fight.  Strikes almost always are.  They don’t come pain free for anyone (kinda the point).  But that can’t be an excuse not to do it.  
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Matt Reed
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Posted: 15 July 2023 at 12:44am | IP Logged | 5 post reply

This is from Rolling Stone, but they aren’t the only ones to have reported on this troubling situation: 

 Rolling Stone wrote:
 One of the major points of contention for both groups has been the rapid development and implementation of AI and fears of how it could potentially replace writers and actors.

And their concern was justified, as chief negotiator Duncan Crabtree-Ireland laid bare the AMPTP's so-called "groundbreaking AI proposal," which holds the potential to wipe out an entire pathway to breaking into the industry, as well as a reliable source of income for many. The reported proposal hinged on the ability for background actors to be "scanned, get paid for one day's pay" and for that company to "own that scan of their image, their likeness, and to be able to use it for the rest of eternity in any project they want with no consent and no compensation."

"It literally was all of our worst fears confirmed when we heard that," actress Jamie Miller tells Rolling Stone. "It's kneecapping people from the start."

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With that being an “offer” from the AMPTP (The Alliance of Motion Picture and Television Producers who negotiate on behalf of the studios), how can AI not be considered an existential threat to both striking unions?  And if it is, why would they “grace” studios another three year contract?

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Charles Valderrama
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Posted: 15 July 2023 at 12:58am | IP Logged | 6 post reply

Sean Astin stated "we have some experts on A.I. who spent months designing proposals ... and the [studios] wound't engage [and] talk about what's at stake."

Ariela Barer says ‘RUNAWAYS’ was removed for tax write-off without any warning to the cast and resulted in loss of residuals.

Also commented that Iger’s comments were disappointing as “it doesn’t feel great to read that your labor is not appreciated.”

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Bill Collins
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Posted: 16 July 2023 at 7:19am | IP Logged | 7 post reply

I think this may be the final nail in the coffin for movie
theatre's, especially after they struggled during Covid. It
may see streaming services take over. So it's imperitive
that actors and writers get paid fairly by streaming
services for their work.
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Charles Valderrama
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Posted: 17 July 2023 at 7:35pm | IP Logged | 8 post reply

‘MS. MARVEL’ will be aired in its entirety on ABC next month, making it the first Marvel Studios series to be broadcast on network television.

‘YELLOWSTONE’ will air on CBS this Fall.

This is due to a lack of new content available because of the studios unwillingness to pay & treat actors & writers fairly.

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Charles Valderrama
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Posted: 18 July 2023 at 11:13pm | IP Logged | 9 post reply

The latest on the WGA/SAG strike... LINK

When the executives make more in a day than the actors/writers make in a year - something has to change.

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Conrad Teves
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Posted: 18 July 2023 at 11:30pm | IP Logged | 10 post reply

This whole industry could be run equitably and ethically, the execs just really really don't want to.

Any reason you can't replace the CEOs with an AI? Think of how much money the various Boards of Directors would save! 
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Steven Brake
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Posted: 19 July 2023 at 2:45pm | IP Logged | 11 post reply

How much negotiating power do writers (and actors too, I suppose, given that some have also expressed their support for the strike) have? There's an abundance of material already out there, which audiences can revisit - Britbox does some original programming, but it's pretty much entirely comprised of telly from yesteryear.

Is it possible, or even probable, that studios will simply refuse to negotiate, willing to bet that audiences will be content with repeats?
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Michael Roberts
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Posted: 19 July 2023 at 3:36pm | IP Logged | 12 post reply

Is it possible, or even probable, that studios will simply refuse to negotiate, willing to bet that audiences will be content with repeats?

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That would be a horrible bet. And I’m not sure that “we can just rely on streaming older material” is the best argument against the current streaming residual structure being fair. 

But it’s probable that the studios will try to wait it out until the writers and actors are too broke to not work. 
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