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John Byrne

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Posted: 22 February 2024 at 4:09pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

The Alabama Supreme Court has ruled that frozen embryos are legally children.

As opposed to what?

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Michael Penn
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Posted: 22 February 2024 at 4:35pm | IP Logged | 2 post reply

States have taken different position on the legal personality of unborn human beings. A legal person possesses rights and is owed a duty of care. Some states consider non-viable unborn children to be legal persons (e.g., Alabama) and some do not (e.g., New York). Parents cannot bring a lawsuit for wrongful death on behalf of an unborn child who is not a legal person in the given state. The Alabama Supreme Court in its ruling (mentioning God 41 times) has now extended non-viable legal personality to frozen embryos.

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Rebecca Jansen
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Posted: 22 February 2024 at 5:06pm | IP Logged | 3 post reply

I've been trying to understand the thinking and ultimate motivation behind this. My guess is that freezing embryos will be added to their forbidden/banned list?
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Brian Hughes
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Posted: 22 February 2024 at 9:38pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply

Let's see what happens when some family claims them as dependents on their taxes.
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James Johnson
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Posted: 22 February 2024 at 9:42pm | IP Logged | 5 post reply

DAMN IT, Brian!

You stole my post! /s

But seriously, this is going to crazy.

Someone will try to take it to court about collecting income from frozen embryos.

Imagine that?  

Alabama: First On The Dropdown List! Last In Education!


Edited by James Johnson on 22 February 2024 at 9:46pm
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David Teller
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Posted: 22 February 2024 at 10:50pm | IP Logged | 6 post reply

My claim to fame is I went to school with (and lived in the same street!) as the first IVF baby. All the way from 4 to 16. 
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Didier Yvon Paul Fayolle
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Posted: 23 February 2024 at 2:37am | IP Logged | 7 post reply

I saw a video about a lady suing her parents because she
wasn't asked to be born...

Edited by Didier Yvon Paul Fayolle on 23 February 2024 at 7:42am
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Steven Myers
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Posted: 23 February 2024 at 5:06pm | IP Logged | 8 post reply

If it isn't legal to freeze people, why can we freeze embryos?
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Jason K Fulton
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Posted: 23 February 2024 at 6:12pm | IP Logged | 9 post reply

At this point, the crazier Southern state legislatures are just throwing crazy laws on the books to see what the Supreme Court will uphold. The Tennessee legislature just passed a law (that the Governor signed) that "allows state officials to decline to “solemnize marriages", with the goal being to chip away at Obergefell (the gay marriage law).
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Brian Floyd
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Posted: 23 February 2024 at 7:33pm | IP Logged | 10 post reply

Someone said the way to put the embryos as children thing to rest is to claim frozen embryos as dependents on your taxes. I don't think that would work, but if there's a loophole.....
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Marc Foxx
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Posted: 23 February 2024 at 7:41pm | IP Logged | 11 post reply

I don't know if this is the darkest timeline, but it's sure starting to look like the stupidest...
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James Johnson
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Posted: 23 February 2024 at 8:59pm | IP Logged | 12 post reply

From the guy who thinks the three branches of government are:

Offense

Defense

Special Teams

Ladies & Gents, I give you Coach Tuberville......

I know we have a few members on this forum that are from Alabama, so I will not mock you. But tell me, are the voters that....well....mis-informed?

I mean....this guy? Seriously?


Edited by James Johnson on 23 February 2024 at 9:02pm
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