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Michael Penn
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Posted: 17 June 2024 at 2:54pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

Just a tangent, but here's a link to gas prices correlated to overseas events.

Ah, the relatively calm (before the storm) Clinton years.

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Jason Czeskleba
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Posted: 17 June 2024 at 8:06pm | IP Logged | 2 post reply

 Rodrigo castellanos wrote:
Double edged sword, that.

Makes a lot of people say stuff like: "You can't expect Biden to do anything about issue X, that's unfair, he's just the President!"

Well, if the position isn't that important it shouldn't be the end of days and a mortal blow to democracy if Trump wins. He'd be "just the President" too, after all.

That is fallacious logic.

Observing that Presidents do not have control over some issues for which they are commonly blamed (such as gasoline prices) is not the same as saying "the position [of President] isn't that important" in general.  That is a faulty generalization.  Presidents can't control the price of gasoline, but they do have a great many powers which enable them to undermine or eliminate democratic institutions if they so choose.   


Edited by Jason Czeskleba on 17 June 2024 at 8:07pm
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Rodrigo castellanos
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Posted: 17 June 2024 at 11:45pm | IP Logged | 3 post reply

Yeah, I wasn't talking about gas prices either, though I do believe he can do something about that too. The President and executive branch can do something about most stuff I think, even if it's indirect.

It generates a clash when the sitting President appears to be helpless about important issues on his watch (Roe v. Wade, Supreme Court seats, border policy) and limits himself to tweeting about it while sitting in the Oval Office.

If you can't do anything, why should I keep voting for you? And maybe he's even technically right in some of the stuff (again, I believe *something* can be done about most issues while President but let's give the benefit of the doubt), but it's just not a good look.

But if the other guys can and do radical changes while in power, then your side is gonna be seen as ineffective, or worse, unwilling. (The old "nothing can be done without a super majority", but when Obama had it it "wasn't the right time")

Something similar is happening in my neighboring Argentina. Trump-like psycho Milei is executing radical changes for the worst with an overwhelming minority in congress and when his opposition was in power they always said they couldn't have anything major done even with majorities in both chambers.

It hurts to see the right wing as more effective and willing to impose their agenda, and it makes you wonder why. They're definitely not smarter or more cunning, in fact the guy is evidently mentally challenged.

But maybe, just maybe, the whole system benefits of some looney taking the blows of executing these measures that hurt the majority of the people while the "good guys" go "gee, I can't do anything to stop him".



  
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Jason Czeskleba
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Posted: 18 June 2024 at 1:18am | IP Logged | 4 post reply


 QUOTE:
It hurts to see the right wing as more effective and willing to impose their agenda, and it makes you wonder why. They're definitely not smarter or more cunning, in fact the guy is evidently mentally challenged.

A strong argument could be made that Mitch McConnell has been more cunning than his Democratic counterparts over the past ten years. His facilitation of the takeover of the SCOTUS and a large chunk of the judicial branch by partisan extremists required some luck (and some circumstances beyond his control, like the partisan lean of the Senate) but also displayed foresight and ruthlessness.  At this point, sadly, the best campaign promise Biden can offer is not "we'll fix the judicial branch" but "we will prevent it from getting worse." 
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Rodrigo castellanos
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Posted: 22 June 2024 at 6:17am | IP Logged | 5 post reply

A strong argument could be made that Mitch McConnell has been more cunning than his Democratic counterparts over the past ten years.

Agree. 

A similar thing is happening in Argentina too. While the President is out there in the media scandalizing people with outrageous statements and his general "colorful" personality, behind the scenes some old school conservatives and nefarious characters are actually seizing the opportunity to fulfill their right wing fantasies.

But the Left/Liberals have no antidote for this? Again, they seem hopelessly naive or worse. Almost like they're comfortable with the situation, and letting the other guys be "the bad guys".

Just as they say in sports, the team that wants it more is the one that takes the title home.


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Rodrigo castellanos
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Posted: 29 June 2024 at 4:23am | IP Logged | 6 post reply

Well, that was something.
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David Miller
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Posted: 29 June 2024 at 4:43am | IP Logged | 7 post reply

Eh, changes nothing.

Mortifying, yes, but still changes nothing. Every alternative to Biden cedes the election to Trump.

It's been understandably lost in all the despair, but one thing I noticed is how poorly Trump debated. Biden gave him a lot of substantial openings that went uncapitalized upon in favor of the usual litany of grievances.

I wouldn't be surprised if Biden's poll numbers improved due to the weary old man vs. exhausting ogre everyone is sick of dynamic.

Panicking Democrats should ask themselves why Republicans are so eager for Biden to drop out of the race.
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James Woodcock
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Posted: 29 June 2024 at 5:21am | IP Logged | 8 post reply

That was a disaster.
Anyone who watches that & says that Biden should be the nominee is as
bad as anyone who defended Trump after he said treat Covid with
detergent.
There is no justification. Saying Trump is worse is no longer a viable
justification.
Biden must not be the nominee, he simply is not fit to be so.

One thing I will also say, regarding the debate, that mute button is a really
good idea, & I wish it had been used in the UK debates. Those have been
painful to watch.
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Conrad Teves
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Posted: 29 June 2024 at 5:22am | IP Logged | 9 post reply

One good thing, on X a lot of people have been going through the things Biden accomplished, which they had not been prior to this.

There is something deeply busted in our political system that these are our only choices.  In case no one had noticed.
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ron bailey
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Posted: 29 June 2024 at 5:25am | IP Logged | 10 post reply

All current freak-outs aside, the real political malfeasance here is how they let the other side set the table for what the national debate would be. Not too long ago I remember hearing the gloom and doom of how we were headed for a recession, which obviously DIDN'T HAPPEN, which means steps were taken to avoid it, so claim that victory! Do you know how much we'd be hit over the head by that if the positions were reversed? 
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Bill Collins
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Posted: 29 June 2024 at 6:17am | IP Logged | 11 post reply

I caught the first part live before work, and initially i
thought Biden was on some sort of "upper" as he seemed to
be talking quickly without pause for breathe, then he
suddenly started stumbling.
Seeing Biden and his wife put me in mind of Sharon and
Ozzy Osbourne, two struggling, stumling old men being
encouraged to continue by their wives, who ought to be
encouraging them to retire gracefully for their own good.

Trump was his usual boorish self. I thought we had poor
choices in our forthcoming election, but America trumps,
pun intended.
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Conrad Teves
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Posted: 29 June 2024 at 7:13am | IP Logged | 12 post reply

Trump apparently executed a rhetorical technique called the "Gish Gallop"  Basically throwing enough BS that there is no real way to address all the "points" in the allotted time.

Edited by Conrad Teves on 29 June 2024 at 7:13am
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