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Craig Earl
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Posted: 29 July 2025 at 3:08pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

I have four siblings who all have kids (fifteen between them), yet I've never had an interest in producing my own family. My brother (and nephew) have removed any obligation that I may have felt to 'continue the family name.'

It's not that I don't like kids (I even used to be one when I was younger). I'm a popular uncle, and inherited a stepson with whom I get on great. I've just never had the desire to sire my own brood. Plus, with a nod to another thread, I've never found babies cute (I'm 56, so that ain't gonna change!).

People are always telling me that I'd be a great dad. It just strikes me that parenthood is a massive life choice that not everyone thinks through before they do it!

Am I missing out?
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Michael Penn
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Posted: 29 July 2025 at 3:21pm | IP Logged | 2 post reply

There's this commercial for some financial services company that keeps popping up featuring a person who talks about being "sandwiched" between the generations. That's what can definitely happen to those of us old enough to go to a retirement community but unable to because of being the meat in that sandwich. My parents are alive, relatively okay, but 90s is not young, and there's always a demand on my time and resources, and meanwhile I also have four kids and grandkids as well, and all variously need my help, and -- yes, sometimes I do heave a little tiny "sigh" when I look at the proverbially greener grass of my best friend, married happily without kids, parents lived well into their 80s yet quickly and painlessly departed, and now fully inherited and doesn't have to work a day in his life and nobody to look out for but himself and his wife.

Still, I can't tell you which one of us has missed out. Probably both and neither. If you're happy, enjoy it! 

(I think being a loving, caring, supportive stepparent is great and, really, if you are that, it's no different from being a biological parent.)
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John Byrne

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Posted: 29 July 2025 at 3:36pm | IP Logged | 3 post reply

I had no great desire to be a parent, so naturally I married a woman with two kids.
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Edward Aycock
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Posted: 29 July 2025 at 4:27pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply

When I was coming out, I was surprised to learn how many gay and bisexual men really wanted children.  When I said that I never wanted children, the answer would often be, "Well then don't marry me!" and 1991 me was all, "Same-sex couples married?  That'll be that day!" And that is why I am not the next Sylvia Browne.

But what annoyed me were people who looked at me like I have two heads when I say I have never wanted children.  I'm either selfish or crazy to not want children in my life.  (Wait until they hear my views on being in a relationship...)  

And it was, of all things, a 1972 episode of "Maude" that made me feel better.  In the episode where Maude is pregnant and is not sure what to do*, her husband Walter admits he has never really wanted children and people said he was crazy or selfish but he just knew.  I was glad to know I wasn't alone.  

*Yes, this is the episode where she decides to terminate the pregnancy but that's as far as it goes.  She does not have an abortion during the episode despite everybody always swearing that's what happened.    
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Bill Collins
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Posted: 30 July 2025 at 12:37am | IP Logged | 5 post reply

Neither me nor my brother have kids and have stopped our
line. My brother and his wife by choice, me and my wife by
circumstances. It doesn't bother me, and we have adopted 5
rescue dogs over the course of our marriage instead.
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Craig Earl
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Posted: 30 July 2025 at 6:32am | IP Logged | 6 post reply

 I'm either selfish or crazy to not want children in my life.

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Yep, I've had this too. One could argue that, in a rapidly populating world, it's the least selfish thing to do.

Like Bill, my attention is devoted to fur-babies instead. When I'm out with them at 6am in winter, in the dark and wind and rain, it doesn't feel like I've taken a selfish option!
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Chris Blaise
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Posted: 30 July 2025 at 12:12pm | IP Logged | 7 post reply

I was never around kids growing up and didn't have any specific desire for them.  I figured it would be something that a future partner would initiate and I'd just go along with it. But in my late 30s, I did start feeling like I was missing out on a part of the "human experience".  While I also felt like it was a terrible justification to have a kid....I still wanted one.  Ten years ago, we had our "one-and-done" son and it has been a rewarding experience for me.  

As a father of 52, I've found the biggest hurdle is not physicality related to my age, but pushing aside a lifetime of habits and wants to better serve him.  For example, since a newborn he's always woken up between 5-6am.  I felt like if that was the time he wanted to face the world, why would I deny him that for even an hour in order for me to sleep in a little longer?  

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Michael Penn
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Posted: 30 July 2025 at 2:44pm | IP Logged | 8 post reply


 QUOTE:
As a father of 52...

Read that too quickly and thought... what?!... for a second!
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Evan S. Kurtz
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Posted: 30 July 2025 at 3:02pm | IP Logged | 9 post reply

As a parent and a teacher of tweens, I have a lot of opinions on this topic!

The short of it is, I sincerely believe we wouldn't be in as much of a mess as we are if not for large numbers of people, who should never have become parents, having children. If you don't feel a particular need or desire to be a parent, we're all grateful that you don't.

Parenting shouldn't be an obligation, it should be a calling. It should be something people want to do. The pandemic was very revealing in this way to me, because we saw so many people revolt against lockdowns and whatnot, in no small part because they simply couldn't handle being home around their kids all day. Meanwhile, my son at the time was in kindergarten, and for all the struggles that came with the pandemic, and the losses - and I certainly experienced loss - I will never, ever be anything but grateful for the six months I got to spend with my kid, all day, every day. It was amazing.

The funny thing is, before my wife and I had our son, we'd been together for 12 years, we were in our mid 30's, we were trying but were ok with if we couldn't, and we used to have a somewhat facetious conversation - "do we want a kid, or do we want a villa in France?" Well, we ended up with the kid. It changed my life. He's amazing. Parenthood is not for everyone. 


Edited by Evan S. Kurtz on 30 July 2025 at 3:02pm
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Brian Rhodes
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Posted: 30 July 2025 at 3:47pm | IP Logged | 10 post reply

I'm also 56. I pretty much skipped being a parent, but ended up being a grandparent. 

I married my wife when her daughter was 16. She was a good kid, and pretty much grown, so all the formative parenting had been done. I never particularly felt like her father, though a father figure, at times.  

Fast forward to her graduating high school and college, getting married, and starting a family of her own. 

I am absolutely my 4 (almost 5) year-old grandson's "Poppy" (a name he came up with). I feel like I skipped over a lot of the tough stuff and got right to the really good stuff. He's such a sweet, smart boy. But all boy. Very playful, energetic and rough. I didn't hold him much as a small infant, as I was afraid I'd hurt him. Now, I'm more worried about him hurting me! We have lots of fun, though, and I love him very much.

I don't feel like I've particularly missed out on anything by not having biological children (or grandchildren) of my own. 


Edited by Brian Rhodes on 30 July 2025 at 3:50pm
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Craig Earl
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Posted: 30 July 2025 at 5:19pm | IP Logged | 11 post reply

I'm 56 now too, and inherited my stepson when he was 14 (and I was 36). He certainly had a way of pushing my buttons, and it was an awkward battle of wills at times. The stepfather role can be an awkward one, where you have to be respectful and considerate and but not a pushover.

As soon as he was old enough to work, things worked out and he's turned out to be a great guy.
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Larry Gil
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Posted: 30 July 2025 at 6:27pm | IP Logged | 12 post reply

I love and have an excellent relationship with my daughter but was never a "kids" person. She never gave us any trouble and was an honour student in University .Still glad I have only one. 
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