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Brian Miller
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| Posted: 28 September 2020 at 5:16am | IP Logged | 1
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Remember, he told Hillary in one of their debates that not paying taxes
made him smart.
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James Woodcock
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| Posted: 28 September 2020 at 6:39am | IP Logged | 2
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If your taxes are 'in audit' for at least four years, and
you fight tooth and nail to prevent people who should have
access from having that access, and you say it is smart to
not pay taxes?
Yeah, I'd say the chances are high that you aren't paying
taxes and you aren't doing that through legal means.
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Charles Valderrama
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| Posted: 28 September 2020 at 8:32am | IP Logged | 3
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I'm pretty sure Trump calls American taxpayers "suckers" and "losers."
-C!
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James Woodcock
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| Posted: 28 September 2020 at 8:46am | IP Logged | 4
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It is incredible that a country's leader does not think
its people should pay taxes.
How, exactly, are things to be funded.
You know, like Space force, the wall
Clearly not healthcare, unemployment, the armed forces as
those won't be needed (well, maybe the armed forces will
be, just not to protect from other countries, just to
deploy on America's own streets)
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Kevin Brown
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| Posted: 28 September 2020 at 8:53am | IP Logged | 5
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When did the Democratic Party start supporting antifa?
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Everyone should. Everyone did in WWII.
Antifa = anti-facist. People forget this....
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Peter Martin
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| Posted: 28 September 2020 at 9:38am | IP Logged | 6
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Forget trying to judge the merits of what Antifa does as a cohesive whole, everyone should support them because of their name. Does that sum up your position?
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David Allen Perrin
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| Posted: 28 September 2020 at 11:19am | IP Logged | 7
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If a group of Antifa protestors takes the streets to oppose a group of NeoNazi/KKK supporters.....I “root” for Antifa.
IF their name reflects theIr beliefs and the actions...then yes, I am supportive.
If those things change, (particular towards things I don’t agree with) then my support changes.
If a DISGUSTING PIECE OF RACIST TRASH like Tucker Carlson stands opposed to Antifa...then you bet your ass I think they are doing something right!
I hope thats clear.
Edited by David Allen Perrin on 28 September 2020 at 11:20am
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Peter Martin
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| Posted: 28 September 2020 at 1:45pm | IP Logged | 8
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Well, it was a question directly posed at Kevin's assertion that 'everyone should' support Antifa, because, seemingly, of the name. I applaud your contingent approach of pegging support to the criteria of their beliefs and actions.
My point, in regard to Kevin's suggestion that everyone should support them is that it seems to me to be faulty logic to be automatically aligned in this way.
Let's say I don't like facism or the far right (which I don't). Logically, I would be best advised to put my support to the most effective way of combatting facism and the far right.
It is a huge assumption that Antifa fits this bill just because it is inherently anti-fascist.
To make that assumption, you are automatically co-opted into a militant approach to tackling the problem of the far right. |
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Rebecca Jansen
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| Posted: 28 September 2020 at 2:37pm | IP Logged | 9
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Will many even listen now? Lots of people were trying to tell them how this is not a successful businessman, not 'your' guy, to his supporters for years and getting nowhere, so what difference will yet more proof make? Polls show Trump at 41-44% support which objectively seems impossible based on what we know and have seen of this individual.
Northern Syria sold to Turkey is not a probable, it is in fact a done deal, and it was the big 'deal maker' who made it and personally profited. Conflict of interest laws needed A.S.A.P. all!
I am generally against extremes and reactionaries. If the actions and words fit that bill they have no defense, that is the root of whataboutism and then we are living in some kind of extreme superhero comic or guns as magic things movie. I rolled over a crowd of mutants in my Bat Tank because The Joker killed tens of thousands... I gunned down all the shifty looking people on the street late at night because my wife was raped. No thanks. They need the extreme to justify your own extreme... something like a reactionary 'antifa' movement is as likely to fuel what they are supposedly against as really do anything effective against them. You take down the confederate flags and tear down the civil war statues and then it's on to George Washington and red hats... it becomes less and less about resisting fascism and back to eye for an eye justifications. But we should all be against fascists as an extreme, and trying hard not to be anything like one ourselves in reaction.
Edited by Rebecca Jansen on 28 September 2020 at 2:46pm
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David Allen Perrin
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| Posted: 28 September 2020 at 2:59pm | IP Logged | 10
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“...you are already co-opted into a militant approach to tackling the problem of the far right.”
Umm. Yeah. So what? The right wing is now relying on a ‘militant approach’ to support their leader and instigate violence and spread Fear and division throughout the nation. I’d love to think peaceful resistance would be enough to walk out of this unscathed, but when you are dealing with an enemy who will lie to your face, demonstrate a total lack of integrity and a sense of fair play and a willingness to incite open violence you tend to wanna fire with fire just to protect yourself.
This President is a fucking lunatic who is clearly willing to unleash any number of angry, misinformed, delusional and heavily armed idiots who apparently have been waiting all their adult lives to shoot the people they hate in cold blood. And with each passing day leading up to the election I grow more convinced that something truly ugly and violent will go down.
So forgive me if I’m not going to dismiss a ‘militant approach’ to what is very clearly a ‘militant threat’.
When Trump’s army of morons shows me they would rather dump their support of him than start violent conflicts with “the libs” because he loses the election I’ll start feeling better about things.
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Vinny Valenti
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| Posted: 28 September 2020 at 3:16pm | IP Logged | 11
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"Remember, he told Hillary in one of their debates that not paying taxes
made him smart."
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Oh, I remember. I also remember how Hillary completely let that ridiculous comment slide. If only she stopped in her tracks mid-sentence and said "Wait, what did you just say? Did you just say that the millions of tax-paying American citizens are stupid?"
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Marc M. Woolman
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| Posted: 28 September 2020 at 7:23pm | IP Logged | 12
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Are his taxes really
important right now?
So far, no prominent
Democrat has stated any
sort of plan to stop Trump
from stealing this
election.
Are democratic voters
really ok with voting by
mail and not having their
votes counted?
That is the plan: slow down
the mail so there's no
possible way the mail-in
votes can be completely
counted by election night,
than have his Supreme Court
declare any remaining mail-
in ballots shall not be
counted. Meanwhile, the
vast majority of Trump-
voters actually vote in
person, so their votes will
count.
Isn't that a much more
pressing issue than the
fact Trump has cheated and
paid virtually no Fed. Tax?
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