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Brian Miller
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Bye bye animal welfare. God. Just how fucking despicable can he be?
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Thom Price
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It's only been two weeks; I'd say we haven't even scratched the surface of this administration's despicableness.
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Philippe Negrin
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No debate about progressing towards basing the election on the popular votes ? When is this electoral revolution going to happen, if ever ?
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Edited by Philippe Negrin on 04 February 2017 at 8:22am
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Steve De Young
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If this election was based on the popular vote, we'd still be in the midst of a court battle with Trump challenging the "millions" of illegal votes and going through nationwide recounts.
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Jason Czeskleba
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Philippe Negrin wrote:
| No debate about progressing towards basing the election on the popular votes ? When is this electoral revolution going to happen, if ever ? |
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When there's an election where the Democratic candidate wins the Electoral College despite losing the popular vote. Right now, the popular opinion is that the Electoral College benefits Republicans, since that has been the case twice this century. It's not necessarily true (a few thousand votes difference in Ohio in 2004 and John Kerry would have pulled off an electoral win despite a popular loss). But as long as people believe it's true, the Republicans have strong incentive to maintain the Electoral College. Elimination of the Electoral College is only going to happen if there is broad bipartisan consensus that it sucks.
Edited by Jason Czeskleba on 04 February 2017 at 1:49pm
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Dave Phelps
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If anything, the push is in the opposite direction. There's one batch of Republicans who want to change the electoral college so each district gets one electoral vote. Doing something like that would make it less likely that winning the popular vote would get you the White House, not more so.
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Thom Price
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While the elimination of the Electoral College would results in elections that are more 'fair' -- each person's vote carrying the same weight -- there's no guarantee the outcome would have been preferable. Hillary winning the Popular vote but losing the election might be galling, but it's like hitting Black Jack while playing poker. If the election had been determined by popular vote, both sides would have been running very different campaigns and it's impossible to surmise what they would have been or the results they would have produced.
(Ditto to the "Bernie would have won" crowd; you can't change one variable but pretend everything else would have been exactly the same.)
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Dave Phelps
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| Posted: 04 February 2017 at 8:09pm | IP Logged | 8
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QUOTE:
| there's no guarantee the outcome would have been preferable |
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True, but that's not really the point.
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Kevin Brown
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If you want a good laugh, here you go: LINK
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Brian Miller
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| Posted: 05 February 2017 at 9:21pm | IP Logged | 10
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Trump doesn't even know what he's signing with these Executive Orders.
https://www.palmerreport.com/opinion/donald-trump-signs-exec utive-order-while-admitting-he-doesnt-know-what-it-says-vide o/1354/
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/02/05/us/politics/trump-whit e-house-aides-strategy.html?referer=https://www.google.com/
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Mike Norris
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Pretty sure we've elected William J Le Petomane.
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Brian Peck
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No William J Le Petomane is just stupid, Trump is insane. Besides Petomane
has a much better looking assistant.
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