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John Byrne

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Posted: 13 February 2021 at 7:35pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

A “technicality” Mitch McConnell manufactured.
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Andrew Bitner
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Posted: 13 February 2021 at 7:38pm | IP Logged | 2 post reply

McConnell delayed bringing the Senate back into session until it would have been much too late to start a trial. Everyone knew it.
His pathetic whining now is just CYA, a sop to "moderates" who might disapprove of what Moscow Mitch did this past week. 
He's the most hateful politician of modern times.
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Andrew Bitner
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Posted: 13 February 2021 at 7:39pm | IP Logged | 3 post reply

It's cold comfort that Trump has the ignominy of being impeached twice AND having more of his own party vote against him than any other impeached president.
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Matt Reed
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Posted: 14 February 2021 at 2:54am | IP Logged | 4 post reply

 John Byrne wrote:
A “technicality” Mitch McConnell manufactured.

Exactly.  Funny how an elected official can question constitutionality as a basis for acquittal when that same elected official had his hands on the lever of when that issue could be brought before a tribunal and decided not to pull said lever until after the president was out of power.  

Mitch is all kinds of awful.  The depths of his depravity have been, sadly, yet to be mined.  
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James Woodcock
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Posted: 14 February 2021 at 4:49am | IP Logged | 5 post reply

I hate politics. I hate politicians that think we are stupid, because they
either think we are stupid, or just don’t care - & I’m not sure which of
those is worse.

They know exactly what they are doing. & we see this time & time
again.
Where THEY create a situation & then complain that their hands are
tied or the other party are doing something because of a situation
THEY created.

& then they take the moral high ground like McConnel just did.

I hate this!

In the UK, there is a long running row about how the BBC are removing
free tv licences for the over 75, something they have had since 2000.
The Conservative government are making great hay from this situation.

But here’s the thing. Up until a few years ago, the costs associated with
these licences was borne by the government, & then, yes, you guess it,
the Conservative government, switched those costs to the BBC, without
the commensurate budget.
The BBC have said all along, that they did not have the budget to cover
this & they would cancel the free licences.

Outrage by the Conservative - how dare the BBC sell our over 75s
down the river.

No. The Conservatives sold them down the river, but they have done a
marvelous job of convincing people that this situation had nothing to do
with them.

Trivial, compared to what dick head has just done, but a perfect
example of how they do it all the time.
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James Woodcock
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Posted: 14 February 2021 at 4:52am | IP Logged | 6 post reply

What I mean by making great hay by the way, is that the Conservative
government are using this example as a means to show how bad the
BBC is & thus, it needs to be reformed & have its funding cut further,
because look how bad they are treating people.

Want an outcome
Engineer a situation that feeds into the negative of the current situation
Use it to railroad something else through

Everyone realises far too late that they were played & we lost
something that had great value.

Happens time & time again & people fall for it each time
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John Byrne

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Posted: 14 February 2021 at 7:05am | IP Logged | 7 post reply

So, are the Proud Boys et al preparing to storm the White House?
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Michael Penn
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Posted: 14 February 2021 at 7:42am | IP Logged | 8 post reply

In the Talmud there's a discussion about why Jerusalem was destroyed and the people exiled. The answer is that the political leaders ruled by dint of legal technicalities, insisting on their rights, exercising to the full their given abilities under the law but purely in a self-dealing manner. And the addendum to that was labelling this as the true sin of Sodom, i.e., not only a cause of destruction but one quite deserved.
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John Byrne

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Posted: 14 February 2021 at 8:04am | IP Logged | 9 post reply

Cue fireballs from the heavens.
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Michael Penn
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Posted: 14 February 2021 at 8:54am | IP Logged | 10 post reply

This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
Not with a bang but a whimper.

[T.S. Eliot, "The Hollow Men"]
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James Johnson
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Posted: 14 February 2021 at 9:26am | IP Logged | 11 post reply

James that is one hard to decipher( for me) post.
I don't know what the heck a Leo is, no idea what you're referencing since
there are no links and if no one was charged then presumably the police
weren't able to find enough evidence, but you love them....are you rooting for
the killer?
And what does this have to do with Trump'crimes?

==================================================

Paul,

It has A LOT to do with Trump crimes on January 6th. 

A Law Enforcement Officer (LEO) was killed that day. 2 others committed suicide. 

This would have never happened that day if Trump did not incite his asshole supporters to riot. That's black and white.

And this is coming from the so-called  "Law & Order" president. The guy who backs the blue. I'm sure you remember the rallies he had for the police officers telling how much he loves the "boys in blue"?

Well, Trump show them much love Jan 6th.

43 senators turned into cowards yesterday. A few less than a year ago but they are still cowards.

Those 43 and Trump have blood on their hands.
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Peter Martin
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Posted: 14 February 2021 at 10:53am | IP Logged | 12 post reply

The constitution says the House has the sole power of impeachment.

So point 1: The House voted to impeach Trump for incitement.

The senate has sole power to try all impeachments.

So point 2: because of point 1, the senate was required to try Trump for incitement.

The question then: was he guilty or not of incitement?
The question was not whether they had the right to try him or not. The Senate has no power to decide whether he is tried only to try him.

Point 3: McConnell explicitly states he think Trump is guilty. "There is no question that President Trump is practically and morally responsible for provoking the events of that day."

and 

"74 million Americans did not engineer the campaign of disinformation and rage that provoked it.

“One person did."

Point 4: McConnell also says "We are not free to work backward from whether the accused party might personally deserve some kind of punishment"

Correct. The senate is required to try whether he was guilty or not of insurrection, as directed by the House which has sole power of impeachment. Not work back from punishment .

Point 5: Considering whether he is in office or not and deciding that a conviction is moot because the punishment of removal of office would have no effect is expressly doing what McConnell says he is not free to do in point 4. That is, working backward from the punishment in order disregard his responsibility as the sole body charged with trying the impeachment charge.
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