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Brad Hague
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| Posted: 29 May 2019 at 7:16pm | IP Logged | 1
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I like Joe's better than Tom's inks. But the eyes still aren't right.
I think I'm going to have to say I wish John could have inked his own work on this. This was around the same time that when I saw John Byrne ink himself on his other books I felt it was the height of greatness. Along with George Perez inking himself on NTT covers.
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Alfredo Gonzalez
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| Posted: 30 May 2019 at 9:17am | IP Logged | 2
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Thanks for your comments Peter!
The background of stars I was trying several options, but it did not convince me at all ... When I started working on it I had not seen Rubinstein's solution, which seems more accurate than Palmer's, make a background that was not 100% black that does not invade the figure of the Surfer and make it stand out. I tried to apply some shade / reflection to the table, but since I did not want to add modern coloring effects, I considered that leaving it with a continuous color was more appropriate. What is an unforgivable mistake is not having faithfully followed the original illumination of John Byrne : '( Again, thank you very much for your appreciations, with a criticism we learn more than with a compliment ;)
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John Byrne
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| Posted: 14 April 2024 at 7:25pm | IP Logged | 3
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Now that Tom is no longer with us, I feel I can express the disappointment I felt when I saw his inks on that Surfer job—and the relief when he told me all the changes he made were ordered by Shooter.
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Rodrigo castellanos
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The original piece seems to be asking (to me, obviously) to be "painted" (meaning colored with brushes) instead of traditionally inked.
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Wallace Sellars
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There is something appropriately alien about the length of the Surfer’s neck and torso.
Oh, and I prefer Mr. Rubenstein’s inked version over Mr. Palmer’s as well. (I really enjoyed the Byrne/Palmer pairing on XMHY though.)
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Doug Centers
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Going thru some of my comic paraphernalia, forgot I had this. Seemed like an appropriate place to show it.
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Steven Queen
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It's like Mr. Palmer looked at the pencils and thought "clenched stomach muscles, that's what this needs."
Perplexing.
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Mark Haslett
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Steven: Perplexing
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Did you see where John posted this, Steven?:
"Now that Tom is no longer with us, I feel I can express the disappointment I felt when I saw his inks on that Surfer job—and the relief when he told me all the changes he made were ordered by Shooter."
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Vinny Valenti
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| Posted: 25 June 2024 at 1:23pm | IP Logged | 9
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I would say that the Surfer didn't play to Tom Palmer's strengths - which is more of a fleshy, moody, realistic style. I could understand why TPTW wanted someone other than Terry Austin, but Austin would have worked better, especially with the overly-mechanical style that he developed by 1982 - see how he rendered Nova a few years later on THE LAST GALACTUS STORY.
Which gives me a good excuse to ask - JB, did you consider Nova's "skin" to be the same material as the Surfer's? I figured their similar look from the face down was intentional, especially with both having the same "father".
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John Byrne
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Seems logical!
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