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Matt Hawes
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Posted: 24 March 2025 at 10:08pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

Jean, I'm not sure if my memory is correct on this, but I think the plane crash was added by Roy Thomas (or Arnold Drake?) when Havok was introduced as Scott's brother. I do know that the Shi'ar kidnapping the parents was added later by Claremont.

Edited: Ok, it looks like the plane crash was first mentioned in "Uncanny X-Men" #144, so that would be Chris Claremont and during Dave Cockrum's second tenure on the title. A few years back, I reread all the issues of Uncanny X-Men in a short period, which is why I likely was confused if it was mentioned earlier than that issue.




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Vinny Valenti
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Nope!
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Matt Hawes
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Ah...! Thanks, Vinny!


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Richard Stevens
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And then his parents got abducted by a space ship from the galactic empire his professor's girlfriend would later rule!
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Vinny Valenti
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The Universe is smaller than you think!
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Jean Voulis
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Thanks guys!

I do find Claremont added some texture and depth to his comics by adding cool details and connections like this...but he would often go too far (everyone is related or in love or has powers...).

JB did a good job of reining him in. As did the great (again underrated as an editor) Roger Stern.
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Peter Martin
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 QUOTE:
I thought mutations worked more like some random change happens that THEN proves to be beneficial, so it has staying power.

A mutation can be thought of as nothing more than a copying mistake in DNA.

Evolution is a numbers game, so as you say, if the random mutation gives an incremental benefit, once you go through enough generations, you should start to see increased numbers amongst a population who possess the benefit. Given enough time, the mutation becomes the norm. Then you may see another mutation that builds on or works with the mutation. Given more time, a beneficial such mutation once again becomes the norm, and so on, so that across very large spans of time very complex adaptations are possible.

A single step mutation like Cyclops' power is not realistic, of course, but that's OK. It's not the real world!

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John Byrne

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I do find Claremont added some texture and depth to his comics by adding cool details and connections like this...but he would often go too far (everyone is related or in love or has powers...).

•••

Of my myriad complaints about Chris’ writing, close to the biggest was that he would never allow anyone to be ordinary. In a series already loaded with extraordinary people he would layer in more. Consider Moira MacTaggert, conceived as housekeeper (to answer a question that needed no answer), she spun into much more in her first appearance. Consider Kitty Pryde, who I created to be a completely ordinary teenager, but who Chris made a “genius”. Storm had a highly exotic backstory, but Chris turned her into Modesty Blaise. And Cyclops, of course, became the son of a space pirate.

It goes on.

sigh

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