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Keith Thomas
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I liked the original X-babies story in X-men Annual #10 (that pic is from the second story) it was a take on the New Mutants being called the "X-babies" (its even mentioned by Sunspot) and the X-men being turned into "babies" was just a quick plot device it's only the second story where the X-babies were actual mini-me clones of the X-men where it got ridiculous.
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Nathan Greno
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Recently posted this pic in a commissions thread ("When I Wore a Younger Man's Clothes")... Another example of the X-Men going "too cute"... 
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Nathan Greno
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...at least "too cute" for me. "Bamf doll"? Nightcrawler has a hot, flight attendant girlfriend? Feels like the concept of the book is lost imho. For an X-Men book, I feel this works better... 
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Nathan Greno
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| Posted: 08 June 2011 at 11:00am | IP Logged | 4
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Bleh. 
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John Byrne
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Was Amanda a witch yet, at that point?
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Brian Miller
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| Posted: 08 June 2011 at 12:09pm | IP Logged | 6
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Yep.
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Michael Todd
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| Posted: 08 June 2011 at 12:29pm | IP Logged | 7
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At that point they were just whistling in the dark.
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Nathan Greno
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...and the book starting selling BETTER after JB left.
...oookay...
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John Byrne
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By the time I left, X-Men had become a baby juggernaut, and it went on to grow to full maturity in the years that followed.While Dave was drawing the book, as most of you know, sales kept inching up, but he could not handle a monthly grind, and Archie Goodwin, then EiC, knew the book needed to go monthly to turn the corner and get the sales engine really chugging along. That was where I came in, along with Terry Austin. Sales did not explode with our arrival, but they kept climbing steadily, in small increments, and that continued after I left. The real supernova effect kicked in when Paul Smith arrived -- tho, in all honesty, that might have been just a coincidence. Full credit to Smitty, where credit is due, but this was also the same time the speculators started "noticing" the X-MEN.
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Steven Myers
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Nightcrawler had the hot girlfriend before JB started drawing the book. Her origins were revealed in an annual. I always liked Amada/Jamie. I thought the scenes with Peter & Kurt with the girls harkened back to Booby and Hank dating in the early issues. But, apparently Chris Claremont hadn't read those early issues. There's been nothing to keep my attention on the X-Men for long since the Claremont/Jim Lee run. But it still seems the most popular comic in the known universe. Obviously, I'm somehow missing something....
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Joel Biske
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Tho, again, who am I to say "wrong"? Since sales continued to soar, obviously Chris & Co. were doing SOMETHING right!
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I wonder how much of this was a steamroller effect.... figuring that I was 14 when #137 came out, by the time I was reading the whole X-men in Space bit, I was reading out of habit more than out of interest. I liked some aspect of that was being done, but at the same time.... more and more plotlines and timelines and alternate universes and not resolving sub-plots started in the Byrne era by the time I gave up.
Chris, if nothing else, wrote lots of pretty words. Lots of pretty words. When I go back and reread a lot of the Smith/Romita era and later, there's a lot of overwriting there... LOTS of overwriting....
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John Byrne
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There was a time when I noticed the fan favorite artists seemed to be the ones who put LOTS OF LINES on the page, whether those lines had any real meaning or not.Sometimes it seemed fan fav writers were the ones who used LOTS OF WORDS. "This book takes a long time to read! Must be good, huh?"
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