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Robert White
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I've read Uncanny from Giant Sized X-Men till the end of Paul Smith's run. I've read sporadic issues after this, but I do feel that it started to lose its way after the space saga. There were some find stories and some good ideas, but I think X-Men started to suffer from its own popularity. Circa 1975-1983 was great, though.
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Peter Martin
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The Smith and Romita years were never as tightly plotted or as grounded as the Byrne run, but I still found them a good read. Every so often Chris would completely go off on one (the Kulan Gath story was just out there and didn't belong in the pages of the X-Men, to cite just one example), but I'm very fond of a lot of those Romita stories (Pete ending up in a bar fight with Juggernaut is a particular fave).
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Thanos Kollias
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| Posted: 08 June 2011 at 3:23pm | IP Logged | 3
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Kulan Gath is probably my favorite of the Romita years!! I think Claremont nailed almost everyone there.
I loved the X-Men during Claremont. It was a solid book that could be read again and again. If the artist was a good one, the stories would get that much higher. Paul Smith was one such example, Jim Lee another (although his storytelling was awful).
Kitty's fairytale is also a favorite of mine. Shame on you Nathan!!
I think the Nightcrawler as cute and desirable was the X-Men answer to the Avengers' Beast. Hank was supposed to be a monster but during the Nefaria 3-parter girls line up to be around him.
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Michael Todd
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| Posted: 08 June 2011 at 3:32pm | IP Logged | 4
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QUOTE:
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Considering to me the Beast was an X-Man that sentence just seems wrong.
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Larry Morris
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| Posted: 08 June 2011 at 3:40pm | IP Logged | 5
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Can't say as I particularly cared for the Kulan Gath story. I'm not a big fan of magic in the X books. Claremont wrote a lot of stories I really enjoyed, but he was real big on change, and I wasn't always comfortable with the changes.
Never stopped buying the book out of frustration, though. I stopped buying comics period for about 2
years. If I was reading comics, I was buying the X titles. Until Morrison, anyway.
I don't think it's the most popular book anymore. I believe that distinction belongs to the Avengers books.
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Mark Haslett
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If X-Men actually stops selling so well, it might set the stage for a back to
basics approach-- is there anyone at Marvel who could want to do such a
thing?
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Michael Todd
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| Posted: 08 June 2011 at 3:52pm | IP Logged | 7
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I really don't think that there is any hope left for getting the X-Men back on track any longer, too much time has passed and to the folks running things now "our X-Men" was just some historic footnote.
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Wallace Sellars
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| Posted: 08 June 2011 at 3:59pm | IP Logged | 8
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The only person I can think of currently working at Marvel who could get me
to pick up the X-MEN again is Alan Davis... and that's only if he were
drawing and writing about the original teen team or second team, the book
existed in a universe other than the one all of the other company titles
inhabited, and he had a contract that prohibited interference (and
suggestions) from the landlords.
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Thanos Kollias
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Considering to me the Beast was an X-Man that sentence just seems wrong.
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I agree, but the furry version does belong to the Avengers, right?
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Larry Morris
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Mark, it's not a failure saleswise, but, not too long, ago, I think I saw Uncanny selling in the 60s, maybe low 70s. About tenth in the top sellers. It's not bad. Still, enough that it might spur back to basics if that was the inclination.
I thought that was what things like Heroic Age were about. Thing is, I'm not willing to overlook all the lines these characters have been allowed to cross to create a story or event. I know that's how I feel about X Men. What they would have to do to get me back they're not going to do.
In some ways I suppose I sympathize with them.
Big name creators, events, rattling the cage, are what seem to spur sales. Okay, maybe only shorterm. The options are a more classic approach. Does that sell? Sales just continue to drop.
Maybe it's helped them survive for now. It's just not my cup of tea. The integrity of the characters is too important to me.
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Andrew W. Farago
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| Posted: 08 June 2011 at 4:31pm | IP Logged | 11
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Is the Kulan Gath story the launching point for all the alternate reality stories that we get in Marvel and DC? Days of Future Past was a look into the then-actual future, so it's not quite an alternate reality, but the Kulan Gath story has all of the same things that you find in Age of Apocalypse, House of M, Flashpoint, etc. The universe has completely changed, everyone's got new costumes, there's some magic thing or other that altered all of reality...
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| Posted: 08 June 2011 at 5:20pm | IP Logged | 12
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I kind of liked it better when the upper limits of the X-Men's powers were still a mystery. 
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