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Mark McKay Byrne Robotics Member
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10,000 JBF Gold Points to the first to correctly source that reference. —
Jack Kirby’s inclusion of the Silver Surfer, surprising Stan Lee.
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John Byrne
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Spend your prize wisely, Mark!
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Michael Penn Byrne Robotics Member
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Hmm... Magda ran away when Magneto still thought of himself as human? Meaning, before his powers manifested or before he learned why he had those powers? Was Magneto a late bloomer?
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Andrew Bitner Byrne Robotics Member
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The way the dialogue goes, I would think Magneto discovered his powers while he was with her. The revelation that he had powers--which weren't unknown even then, as there were superpowered individuals around during WW2, but were almost certainly frightening when seen up close--might well have scared her into leaving him.
Edited by Andrew Bitner on 07 February 2021 at 11:18am
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Andrew Bitner Byrne Robotics Member
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BTW, there's some really interesting research into offender/victim relationships. It's not unlikely that someone who's been traumatized by the brutality of others--especially those he might come to consider inferior--would become radical or even a terrorist.
The complication, of course, is tying it to WW2 instead of simply saying that an experience of atrocities inside a prison camp *somewhere* formed his views as a very young man.
Edited by Andrew Bitner on 07 February 2021 at 11:22am
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Matt Hawes Byrne Robotics Member
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Magneto was certainly a liar!
It appears many fans of the character these days really haven't read those early stories. There is no question at all in his appearances from (Uncanny) "X-Men" #1 up through JB's run (the better part of 20 years of publishing history) that Magneto was despicable, manipulative, and vile.
I won't suggest or demand that any fan of the villainous character not say that they prefer the changes made by Chris Claremont beginning in issue #150, but don't try and claim there was prior groundwork laid to suggest Magneto was really a good guy. Outside of the "Days of Future Past", where he logically sides with the mutants against being wiped out by the Sentinels, there was never a trace he was anything other than a maniacal supremacist.
Again, I point out that I have reread all his appearances up to 1980 very recently, and noted how truly rotten he was. He literally treated Toad as his slave, and has no internal conflict over murdering and destruction in service of achieving his goal of world domination. He wasn't "punishing" humans for their racism against mutants, he fully believed to be above humanity and sought to subjugate the human race.
Fans can prefer the revisionism of his history in comics, but recognize that Magneto today is really not the character as written in his first two decades of publication.
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Matt Hawes Byrne Robotics Member
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Magneto's history in the concentration camp was not added to his backstory until issue #150.
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Andrew Bitner Byrne Robotics Member
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Oh, I know, Matt. And I thought it was poorly conceived in many respects. This whole "rehabilitation of Magneto" effort has been misguided.
There is nothing wrong with having a character who is NOT a hero by some other standard. Magneto was a wretched, monstrous criminal and bigot-- he didn't deserve a whitewash then and doesn't now. But some fans will surely feel otherwise because that's the only Magneto they know, and the films have only cemented that history for him.
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Andrew Bitner Byrne Robotics Member
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I am modestly hopeful that when he is reintroduced-Magneto and Xavier will NEVER have been friends or even allies, -Magneto will be shown to be viciously intolerant of humans (reasons why being largely irrelevant), and -he will never become an ally to the X-Men, because their goals are absolutely irreconcilable.
I suspect I am doomed to disappointment. Of course, I hope the same for Dr. Doom and the revived Fantastic Four. We'll see how it all turns out.
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Wallace Sellars Byrne Robotics Member
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Professor Charles Xavier?!? What a rat Magneto is!
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Michael Penn Byrne Robotics Member
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"Oh!" -- indeed!
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James Woodcock Byrne Robotics Member
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I didn’t deep dive as far as Matt appears to have done, but I read a lot of Magneto last year as I went through the X-Men issues from the start up to when JB left. Magneto was a complete & utter git. 141-142 had him working with the X-Men & somewhat sympathetic as a character, but everyone was @ their end.150, as Matt says, is the big change - & then God Loves, Man Kills is what I consider the next big step, where he almost makes the leap. & then the Lee Forester issues leading to when he takes over the X- Men, which I just could never get my head around (not as much as Scott shacking up with Emma Frost though, which just pissed me off to no end).
Edited by James Woodcock on 08 February 2021 at 7:53am
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