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Richard Stevens
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I would not bet against you, Vinny.
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Brian Miller
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Welp, Bloomberg’s out
And whoever said Biden should pick Stacey Abrams for running mate
was spot on.
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James Woodcock
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Why would Trump turn up for a debate? Nothing he says in
a debate would gain him new supporters.
More and more we are seeing politicians remove
themselves from public scrutiny - in the UK Johnson
refused to an interview with Andrew Neil after all the
other party leaders got roasted by him - didn't hurt him
one jot.
Johnson has told his cabinet to refuse interview
requests by the flagship BBC radio programme 'Today'.
Hasn't hurt him one jot.
Both Johnson and Trump have learned very well from Putin
- state your lie. If questioned, repeat the lie. Do not
deviate, do not backtrack, just stick to the lie,
regardless of evidence against it.
During the UK election, the Tories kept saying they were
going to recruit 50,000 new nurses. 20,000 of those
would be nurses that were retained rather than retired.
Any child could see that the real number of new nurses
would be 30,000 and were they to answer an exam question
with 50,000 they would fail.
The Tories stuck, and are still sticking to, that line
of 50,000.
Why engage and have that argument when you can just say
it and ignore the cross examination?
I'm not blaming them. I'm blaming the idiots voting for
them. And yes, they are idiots. Every. Single. One. Of.
Them.
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Wilson Mui
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| Posted: 04 March 2020 at 9:30am | IP Logged | 4
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I seriously believe Trump's ego would not allow him avoid the debates. In his mind, he is smarter than everyone else and
can beat anyone just by winging it. Also, he would not pass up a chance to be on TV.
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Eric Sofer
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| Posted: 04 March 2020 at 9:51am | IP Logged | 5
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If there is a debate scheduled, and Trump refuses to show, is that going to be an hour or two hour open forum for the Democratic candidate? Trump can't complain... it's not as if he didn't have a chance.
I think that Biden gets just a shade too befuddled to be a great president. (Then again, the same happened with Saint Ronnie and his cabinet did just fine working around him.) I'm not sure that Trump couldn't just get Biden confused, and then that discussion is done.
But now that Bloomberg is out... what do we have? Extreme Bernie, sharp (and harsh?) Warren, and Uncle Joe. I know that of the three, I want Sanders... but the big question returns to, who can beat Trump? I consider that moderate, middle of the road Uncle Joe can get the most votes - even if he's not the best suited of the candidates.
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Steve De Young
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| Posted: 04 March 2020 at 10:17am | IP Logged | 6
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Biden absolutely schooled Paul Ryan during the VP debates, literally tearing apart everything Ryan said that was wrong. That was possibly the best debate I've ever seen in a Presidential election. ------------------------------------- Biden of 8 years ago, I agree, might have a good shot at Trump. But it isn't 8 years ago. He's lost more than a step.
Btw, this isn't over yet as much as the 'left' (haha) media wants to spin it that way. Bernie and Biden finished 1 and 2 in every state last night. bernie got delegates from every state last night. He led in most of the southwest and northeast by double digits. And if you look at the exit polling, he led Biden in the youth and Latino votes by massive margins (more than 50%). Biden, admittedly, has a similar lead among those over 65 and in the South. But does anyone really think Biden is going to carry Alabama or Arkansas against Trump? Whereas Bernie certainly can beat Trump in Colorado, California, Vermont, Maine, and maybe even Utah. He's competitive in Texas, and if a Democrat can flip Texas, the whole US political landscape changes.
And the idea that being moderate gets you a lot of votes is insane. But its typical Democrat insanity. They don't know how to win elections or govern once they do. Bill Clinton and Barack Obama only won because they were uniquely skilled and charismatic politicians. Running on a platform of preserving the status quo doesn't work. Hilary proves it. Promising, as Joe Biden does, to work across the aisle with Republicans to 'get things done' is promising to give away the store. If he's just going to let the Republicans accomplish their agenda, why vote for him?
I tell ya, if a Republican ran asa 'moderate' to appeal to the 'moderate Democrat vote' and said he's work across the aisle with Democrats in congress to 'get things done' they'd run him out of the party on a rail. That's why they win elections and that's why when they do, they actually accomplish their agenda. They don't go to Washington to make friends.
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Steve De Young
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Also, people are once again allowing themselves to forget that the electoral college is a thing that exists. If you are aware that it exists, and your goal is to beat Trump, last night's results prove that Bernie is better equipped to do so.
The fact that the Democratic minority in deep red states like Alabama and Arkansas prefers Biden is irrelevant. Because in November, Democratic votes in those states won't count. So who cares who they prefer in the current beauty pageant?
On the other hand, look how Bernie performed in both blue and purple portions of the Northeast. Look how Bernie performed in the Southwest and with the Hispanic vote in particular there. The Democrats have been trying to figure out how to motivate Latinx voters for decades and Bernie is showing that he's done it.
In the states and with the voting blocks that will count in November, Bernie is outperforming Biden and did so last night. The 'hate Trump' vote will go to anyone who runs against him. Biden hasn't shown that he's going to get a single vote that didn't go to Hilary in 2016 in a state that matters. I call it Democrat insanity because of the textbook definition. They do the same thing over and over and expect different results.
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Brad Wilders
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Bernie won Colorado, Utah and Vermont (and will probably win California). In the general election, Hillary Clinton won all of those states, two of them by double digit margins, except Utah, which Trump won by a double digit margin? How does this reflect Bernie's strength in swing states?
In contrast, Biden won North Carolina, Virginia, Maine, and Minnesota, all of which Clinton either lost or won by 2-5 points.
Moreover, the fact that Sanders didn't win despite high voter turnout undercuts his argument that he can beat Trump by motivating new voters to the polls.
The political reality is that D voters want a candidate who can beat Trump (over all other factors), and Bernie (so far) has failed to make a case that a democratic socialist can do that in the states that matter.
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Rebecca Jansen
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I hope Sanders watches going too negative or seeming personal. If he says things about a conspiracy or something being rigged that will also come off as Trump-like. You can be right about something and yet be dead right, like the pedestrian with right of way in a marked crosswalk can still be dead. He is a guest of the party unlike Warren, and as they say membership has it's privileges. As someone in a socialist system (sometimes freed by it, other times trapped) I find they both have unreal ideals about socialism, like a Michael Moore doc (mind you, we have had one slice of politicians undoing what another slice has tried to do all along the way it seems, so there's the it hasn't really been allowed to be tried completely stuff).
I would love to see Sanders able to work on the U.S. health care system outside of being president if nothing else. The gap between rich and poor is something like ten times as extreme as Canada's, and he might sharpen up the investing in people with education talk as a focus on it being directed in needed skills areas. Forgiving loans only seems to go to big bail-outs after their gaming the system has backfired, but that doesn't mean two wrongs make a right... why can't their be compromise as opposed to all or nothing? This is Bernie's weakness; these absolutes he hammers on! Forgive all student loans? Pay for 'college' just generally? It's much better to have someone do some meeting part way to qualify at the very least!
So if it's just replacing hate and blame for imagined foreigners/liberals/women/minorities/etc. with hate and blame for billionaires is that a solid foundation? They attributed all kinds of extremes to relatively milk Bill Clinton and even milder Obama as requiring their tea party and Trump 'common sense' revolutions... it's the same playbook to exaggerate about Bloomberg and billionaires or corporations generally necessitating the Bernie revolution. Who wants to be in the middle of a seesaw between two extreme bases?
Edited by Rebecca Jansen on 04 March 2020 at 4:14pm
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Wilson Mui
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Sanders 2016 2020
MN 61% 30%
AK 29% 20.8%
OK 51.9% 25.1%
VA 35.2% 23.1%
TN 32.4% 24,5%
CO 59% 36%
Sanders did worse in all these states vs 2016.
(This is from Prof. Scott Galloway of NYU.)
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Wilson Mui
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Personally, I wouldn’t vote for him simply because he has had a heart
attack and chosen not to release all the details about it. There is also a
video of him having a hard time breathing while answering question
from reporters. It is too risky.
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Tim O Neill
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Wilson, the percentages go down when there are more candidates to divvy up
the pie. We had four viable candidates on Super Tuesday 2020 as opposed to
two viable candidates on Super Tuesday 2016.
I voted for Bernie Sanders in California and I am proud that I did, although it is
pretty clear now that Biden is the one who will take the nomination.
And I hope California figures out the new voting system - to took me three
hours to vote! I was planning to take advantage of early voting, but my free
weekend time evaporated.
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