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Charles Valderrama
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Posted: 05 March 2020 at 1:46pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

Do you really trust a massive quantity of the US voting public to make the calculation as to which of the two is less misogynistic and corrupt?  I mean, for my money, it would be Biden.  But isn't it a whole lot easier and cleaner to just stay home than to try to make that calculation?

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Apparently, the 2018 Mid-term elections didn't show enough evidence that enough voters are fed up with the political landscape under Trump. 

Come November, I'm not expecting the same laziness of 2016. I'm expecting a higher voter turnout just because Trump needs to go.

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Apparently, the 2018 Mid-term elections didn't show enough evidence that enough voters are fed up with the political landscape under Trump. 
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Nope, because I'm old enough to remember the elections of 2002 and 2004. 
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I voted for Sanders, but it's clear after Super Tuesday that the youth vote that his campaign needs isn't bothering to show up and that the election will be decided by older voters who prefer a more moderate candidate like Biden. I can accept that.
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Relying on young voters to show up is a recipe for failure.  Young people will go to protests and rallies, but the mundane act of voting is not something they can be relied upon to do.

Here's an interesting interview with Rick Wilson, a former GOP strategist who hates Trump and has some good ideas on how to defeat him.  He is convinced Bernie would be the worst possible choice for nominee and that Republican oppo researchers are "salivating" at the idea of him getting the nomination.  Here's what he has to say about voter age:

Young voters adore Bernie. You know what young voters don't do? They don't vote. Old people vote. You know who really, really votes? Very old people. You know who really votes in Florida, the No. 1 key swing state? Really goddamn old people, like people on respirators vote in Florida. They're old, old, old. And they vote like a champ.
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 Steve DeYoung wrote:
Folks here who think the Biden nomination is a fait accompli also seem to be forgetting that he's going to get in front of a live mic several dozen times between now and the convention.  Including a live televised debate that's looking to be just him and Bernie.  He's the Prince Philip of American politics.  He is totally capable of deep-sixing himself.  Hopefully, he'll do it in the primary and not the general.
Much is made of Biden's gaffes, but I think it's far worse when a candidate makes intentional statements that look bad, and then doubles down on them.  Bernie's comments about Castro have hurt him in must-win Florida, and there's lots of similar skeletons in his closet. 
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Posted: 05 March 2020 at 6:44pm | IP Logged | 6 post reply

Sanders has a no-nonsense sincerity that I really respect, even if I am skeptical about his policy proposals. In the debates I think he could cut through Trump's BS in a way Biden couldn't. But yeah, I can understand if the Democratic is freaking out. Sanders is no more a Democrat than Trump is a Republican. If elected, Sanders would reshape the Democratic Party into something else. 

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It’s not just a question of gaffes with Biden.  I don’t think he’s physically or cognitively able to run a presidential campaign.  It gives me no pleasure to say this, honestly.  If he has a breakdown in a live debate, I’m not going to be able to enjoy saying “I told you so.”  Hopefully if he does get the nomination and things get bad, the DNC will replace him on the ticket.  If it happens after the convention, they could literally pick anyone they want.
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Apparently, the 2018 Mid-term elections didn't show enough evidence that enough voters are fed up with the political landscape under Trump. 
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Nope, because I'm old enough to remember the elections of 2002 and 2004.
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I'm old enough to remember that the stakes were very different then.... the tragedy of 9/11 left our country feeling very vulnerable for the first time in a LONG TIME and transformed George W. Bush into a wartime president with his approval ratings surging to near 90%.

The 2002 midterm elections were held just a year after the 9/11 attacks... so I believe those elections were heavily overshadowed by country's war on terror and impending war with Iraq... which might've given the GOP the edge they needed.

To put it simply... Trump is obviously not Bush (W., at least initially, had most of the country united against a clear threat, Trump does not.) ... and this GOP is clearly far removed from the GOP of the early 2000s.

Crazy things can STILL happen... but I hope that voters are ready for a change in leadership.

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The upshot is that all of the later Democratic candidates have some "issue" that presents a problem - inherent issues that Trump would jump on to assault them.

Note that I do not intend ANY of these observations as subjective; just factual (as I see them, granted) and what Trump's finks would use. This list is not inclusive, but pretty representative, I think.

Bernie is socialist and had a heart attack, and is even older than Trump.
Biden gets befuddled, has that harassment issue hanging over him, and is also older than Trump.
Warren, Harris, Gabbert and Klobachaur are all women, ad Warren is pretty caustic as well.
Harris and Booker are black.
Yang is oriental (born in Schenectady New York, how dare he.)
Buttegieg is too young and gay.
Bloomberg is an ex-Republican billionaire (although technically, I feel Trump is about as Republican as Bloomberg is Democratic.)

The ONLY factor that I don't see coming into play is the old white man card - because it applies to Trump as well.

None of these factors could possibly be used by a rational debater - so they're perfect for Trump. Kennedy was chastised for being Catholic; Reagan was attacked for being an actor; and Obama had something they didn't like. The latter two got RE-elected, and I believe Kennedy would have made a second term too.

This fight is an uphill battle, fighting Trump, blind loyalty, lassitude in Democratic voters, and elements that are not in the least prohibitive but which Joe Voter might well use to justify voting Trump again.

It's a hard fight, no matter WHO gets the nomination.
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Again, this isn't a 'gaffe', this is an elderly man who can't handle himself in a simple discussion with a voter who disagrees with him in a calm and rational way. This isn't an isolated incident, either.  There have been dozens of these so far in the primary season.  Is this acting presidential?

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Posted: 10 March 2020 at 5:30pm | IP Logged | 11 post reply

I think this is more stress than any guy in his seventies should be exposed directly to. 
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 Steve DeYoung wrote:
Again, this isn't a 'gaffe', this is an elderly man who can't handle himself in a simple discussion with a voter who disagrees with him in a calm and rational way. This isn't an isolated incident, either.  There have been dozens of these so far in the primary season.  Is this acting presidential?
That is certainly not a good look for Biden... it's never a good idea to get testy and argumentative with a member of the general public, even if you suspect he's trying to trip you up with a loaded question.  At the same time, I do not agree this is indicative of some kind of mental deterioration due to age, as you seen to be suggesting.

Biden isn't my first choice (or even my fourth, out of the original pool of candidates). He has a lot of flaws, to put it mildly.  But I think he's a stronger general-election candidate than Bernie, so you vote the hand you're dealt.  Bernie can't win Florida, a must-win state, and he likely would cause down-ballot problems that would hurt any chances to regain the Senate. 
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