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Rebecca Jansen
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| Posted: 24 June 2021 at 12:20pm | IP Logged | 1
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The polite term was always 'left-footer' in my experience.
The last uproar I noticed about anything was back when the BBC banned that Pogues Christmas song for the derogatory use of the term faggot. She wasn't meaning he was a small bit of kindling.
Edited by Rebecca Jansen on 24 June 2021 at 12:22pm
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James Johnson
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| Posted: 24 June 2021 at 2:43pm | IP Logged | 2
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Are you in the south, James?
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@ Brian
Born/Raised/Reside in Maryland.
Myself, family, friends, and folks that I know have enough experiences.
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Brian Miller
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Sorry, I wasn’t trying to suggest otherwise. Being from the south myself,
I’ve been around it way too much. I’d like to say things have gotten
better since I was a kid, but it really hasn’t.
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Peter Martin
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| Posted: 24 June 2021 at 5:35pm | IP Logged | 4
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| I'm always amused that in the UK "fag" means "cigarette."
The preferred word for men who engage in "buggery" with other men is "poof." Unless that's changed. |
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Given feedback later in the thread that some of these terms could be considered offensive or hurtful, I have put the original comments in inviso. The terms are not intended to be offensive or hurtful and the comment was made within the context of words that are benign in the UK but have a different meaning in the US. I repeat: they are not intended to offend. Please do not click if you think you might be offended.
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| I've never seen what Americans find so amusing about a fag being a cigarette. You tap a fag end into an ash tray. This is totally clear and unambiguous. Pack of fags, pack of snouts. All the same thing. |
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Edited by Peter Martin on 03 September 2021 at 1:46pm
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Bill Collins
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| Posted: 25 June 2021 at 12:28am | IP Logged | 5
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A Faggot is also a U.K. food made from offal and quite
tasty. A guy on a Black Country related Facebook group
recently got a month's ban for using the word even
though he was referring to the local dish.
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John Byrne
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When I was growing up in England a faggot was a meat pie. In one of his cartoons Giles, my favorite editorial cartoonist thru my teens, had one character call another an “old faggot”. There was nothing homosexual in the reference.In many cases, it’s all about geography. What’s unacceptable in one country is fine in another—something else that points up the arbitrary nature of “bad words”.
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Peter Martin
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| Posted: 25 June 2021 at 6:46am | IP Logged | 7
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Given feedback later in the thread that some of these terms could be considered offensive or hurtful, I have put the original comments in inviso. The terms are not intended to be offensive or hurtful and the comment was made within the context of words that are benign in the UK but have a different meaning in the US. I repeat: they are not intended to offend. Please do not click if you think you might be offended.
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| I remember adverts for Brain's Faggots on TV when I was growing up.
Looking it up on You Tube, the voice-over sounds like it's Timothy Dalton, unless I'm mistaken: LINK |
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Tim O Neill
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| Posted: 25 June 2021 at 9:05am | IP Logged | 8
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Honest question - if you all know this term is hurtful to LGBTQ people, why are
you using is so liberally, while you will not spell out the n-word? Even if the
term is predominantly considered offensive in the US, isn't that enough to
refrain from using it directly in a public forum?
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ron bailey
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| Posted: 25 June 2021 at 10:13am | IP Logged | 9
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Honest question ... ++++++++++++++++
I would argue that the word "nigger" (happy?) has nothing but pejoratively offensive connotations by definition, while the replies in this clearly posit that "faggot" has a more varied scope of usage, only one of which is so pejorative.
And just show how arbitrary it all is if you don't take context and audience into account, members of the LGBTQ+ community have no problem referring to themselves as "queer", and in reverse that word has nothing but negative connotations outside of that context.
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Paul Kimball
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If there's 5 different words that I could use and one of them offends 50% or
25% of the population, I normally use the ones that don't.
I have friends who take the opposite approach and then when people are
offended they say "how could you have misunderstood me?"
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Tim O Neill
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| Posted: 25 June 2021 at 11:11am | IP Logged | 11
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Ron Bailey: "happy?"
*****
I'm not looking for you to use the word - I don't think you need to use either to
make a point.
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Tim O Neill
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Ron Bailey: "the word (n-word) has nothing but pejoratively offensive
connotations by definition, while the replies in this clearly posit that (f---) has
a more varied scope of usage, only one of which is so pejorative.
****
Yes, that's pretty obvious from all the responses. But if one of the definitions
is hateful, I ask again, why use it in this context?
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